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I think we can all agree the MM is excellent at times, but has its annoyances! 
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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **
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Its when people try haggling from 46.50 and say '45 works better for me'even worse when they have a £3000 spec in their signature.
They probably don't have all that money to spend without penny pinching
Is this a joke and or just trying to incite something lol? No way will a 980 be anything near worthless for ages, not least because it's still an incredibly capable GPU! PLENTY of people have 980's with no intention of splashing out £500 for a 1080, so the option to get another is going to keep the used price of those steady for some time to come. Also, the 980Ti is still a great card, so again, all those who already have one may want to go SLI, or anyone with a 970 who wants a bump but can't afford the new cards will be looking at a second hand Ti. Just look at what 780's are still going for. That said, there are plenty of people on MM who do think like you and will somehow be under the impression they'll be able to get a 980 for £10 in a couple of months. Will. Not. Happen.
The comment is tongue in cheek of course but I am not delusional about how much money i will lose.
I paid £425inc x 4 for my 980's and £600inc for my 980ti AIO, all of which I still own.
If as expected the 1070 launches at £240exc. vat I reckon I will get around £150 each for my 980's. For my 980ti I reckon I will get around £280 when I come to sell it in September.
AMD will be aggressive on price and competitive in perf so a financial nosebleed is now a certainty.
I think £240 excl VAT is incredibly optimistic for the 1070 to be honest, what with exchange rates being as poor as they are. I expect 980's, the good ones at least, to hold around £200 for a while yet.
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Think you're misunderstanding a bit - my £150-180 or whatever was based on the 1070 being £300 and iit probablly wont be that low.
Don't think we're too far off. At a price of £379 for a 1070 I'd say £180-200 for a used Ti, but that's my value of it, maybe a little bit more for a nearly new one. Yep, I understnd some might want to Sli with an existing card so could be prepared to pay more.
I undestand how the second hand market works and value although people value things differently - hence I tend not to buy second hand GCards as I feel the price is usually not low enough given the risks involved and age of the items and prefer new anyway. If people can only afford to buy second hand, or can only justify paying x amount for a card, then they probably value the market a little higher
I wonder how owners would value them at the moment if they didnt own one?
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That reminds me of some ebay bidders that will spend hours sitting at there desk trying to win auctions to save a few quid over the buy it now prices......Its when people try haggling from 46.50 and say '45 works better for me'
That reminds me of some ebay bidders that will spend hours sitting at there desk trying to win auctions to save a few quid over the buy it now prices......
Most of these are bots. I read a paper a while ago which went in to some very deep details about auction sniping and bot usage on ebay, there's an entire industry surrounding it, you'd be amazed. Proper nerdy stuff.
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Andy, I must admit if you were asking 380 then the offers around 200 can be seen as too low but it's just after the announcement of new product but probably shouldn't have been made given what you were asking. I bet some owners have accepted a low offer. A lot of cards are probalby now on the market(big supply in a supply/demand driven market), and it's a bit like panic selling on the stock market where the price offerrs and bids fluctuate massively during that time. Just seee the offers as the low end of those prices
.£365 sounds a good price and good luck with the sale
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No, I understand it. I just disagree.
You can value a 980Ti at £180-£200 all you want. You wont be getting 1 at that price though, unless some seller loses his marbles!
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Yes, but you kept quoting my £150 valuation when it was based on an unreleastic price of £300 for the 1070 and was my low end
But I know I won't be getting one as I don't want one even at that price but £180 to 200 is where I value them, sorry
. Time will tell and I dont care if I' wrong but it's my valuation of a second hand old tech part based on the 1070 being £379 brand new. I 'd rather buy something new with a warranty with all the latest tech.On another note, OCUK seem to have 30 or so TX's so will be interesting to see how they go.
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That's pretty much exactly what it'll cost, though. :/
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I would wait off selling, any 2nd hand value has to be based off what the new price drops to when pascal is released, if people think 980s will be changing hands for £150 then good luck to you. up until recently a 780ti was still £175 ish used on here.
So will that mean a Titan X secondhand value would be around £250.........
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So will that mean a Titan X secondhand value would be around £250.........
Erm no, not based on them currently being on average £900 new. Still has the higher memory going for it and extra cores . Not thoought about the price of oone of them much to be honest(second hand) but new have an idea but will keep it to myself as you boys take things too seriously
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Well, in that case 150-£180 it is
. But I think supply/demand will mean a more likely £379 for the 1070, oh, and I am talking about the FE by the way.
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...But I know I won't be getting one as I don't want one even at that price but £180 to 200 is where I value them, sorry
YOU can value something at whatever you want. It's meaningless. No one is getting a 980Ti for £200 anytime soon, unless, as someone mentioned, a seller goes insane or needs quick cash to fuel their drug habit. It's not what the card is going to be worth or selling for, regardless what YOU value it at. Furthermore, although the card has sold well, it's not like the second hand market is going to be absolutely flooded with them, pushing the price down. Add to that the variety of cards, brands etc. and some being more desirable than others... it's just madness to think a card will utterly plummet in value overnight. The way you describe the 1070 is like you're making the Ti out to be the horse and cart to the modern combustion engine lol! They really aren't THAT far apart you know, and most second hand cards will still be in warranty anyway.
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Everyone think they're right
Nobody really knows. Lets wait and see and be chilled, it's only technology.
.....28nm, how old? I'm surprised they don't come with a crank that you turn to provide power.
now that is a pure joke :
If 1070 comes in at 300 and is faster than a 980ti, the 980ti will cost less new and second hand will be even less, I don't think you see new 980ti for 200 as they will be snapped up before then but second hand could drop quite a lot if second hand market gets flooded.
But I do think below a certain price point some people will just keep their 980ti for a while and wait until the big gpu's are out.
But I do think below a certain price point some people will just keep their 980ti for a while and wait until the big gpu's are out.
I'm not sure why some people are so hyped up for this, as if it's the second coming. Like the earlier revelation of the big core, this looks pretty damned disappointing given the massive accompanying process shrink.
There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.
Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.
20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.
I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.
Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.
Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.
There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.
Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.
20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.
I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.
Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.
Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.
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