** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[Digital X]

Jayztwocents has a GTX 1080: http://imgur.com/WQM8Btt

Benchmarks due later he says for those who can't access the link.

 

[NirK]

I want to see some reviews now, I cannot wait weeks I need to know the benchmarks.

 

[DarrenM343]

I'm not sure why some people are so hyped up for this, as if it's the second coming. Like the earlier revelation of the big core, this looks pretty damned disappointing given the massive accompanying process shrink.

There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.

Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.

20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.

I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.

Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.

Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.

I disagree with your opinion/pure speculation .
1070 and 1080 are still early cards. It is a different arch I believe. The competition will "probably" do no better unless they have low earning employees who are just much better than those of nVidia. Why do I say that?Because I doubt they have had the budget to spend.
The higher clocks probably means for nvida they can for the early cards make a bit more £ for a performance improvement, but that's me speculating (better performance from less cores via higher clock speed)

 

[Mei]

too many ppl designed that cooler for sure!

 

[D.P.]

I disagree with your opinion/pure speculation .
1070 and 1080 are still early cards. It is a different arch I believe. The competition will "probably" do no better unless they have low earning employees who are just much better than those of nVidia. Why do I say that?Because I doubt they have had the budget to spend.
The higher clocks probably means for nvida they can for the early cards make a bit more £ for a performance improvement, but that's me speculating (better performance from less cores)

Ignore PCM. There are certain people on this forums who have been saying Nvidia is 6 months behind AMD, that there is no way that nvidia can be using GDDR5X, that Pascal wont come out to 2017, blahblahblah for months and months now. This is a very shocking revelation for them and they are doing all they can to downplay what nvidia have achieved. Now we start hearing all this rubbish that Pascal is just a die-shrink Maxwell etc. these people were hilariously wrong with all their other Nvidia downplaying.


Pascal is of curse an evolution of Maxwell, just like Polaris is an evolution of of the entire GCN line.

 

[Ian Evey]

I'm not sure why some people are so hyped up for this, as if it's the second coming. Like the earlier revelation of the big core, this looks pretty damned disappointing given the massive accompanying process shrink.

There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.

Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.

20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.

I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.

Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.

Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.

What you just said is exactly the same for the Polaris 10 ( only fury x performance at best on release ) yet the 1080 has more than 980 Ti performance. So 1080 for me unless Amd have secrets up thier sleeves.

 

[Rroff]

Ignore PCM. There are certain people on this forums who have been saying Nvidia is 6 months behind AMD, that there is no way that nvidia can be using GDDR5X, that Pascal wont come out to 2017, blahblahblah for months and months now. This is a very shocking revelation for them and they are doing all they can to downplay what nvidia have achieved. Now we start hearing all this rubbish that Pascal is just a die-shrink Maxwell etc. these people were hilariously wrong with all their other Nvidia downplaying.


Pascal is of curse an evolution of Maxwell, just like Polaris is an evolution of of the entire GCN line.

Funny thing is - if you take what they are saying - then make it only half as bad as they are making out then its usually about right i.e. if they are saying it'll be 6 months late it will usually be more like 2-3 months late. Despite this happening on multiple launches they still post the same negativity about nVidia come the next launch heh.

 

[tommybhoy]

Jayztwocents has a GTX 1080

Even though it's going to be good, he's never going to critisize it that's for sure, specially after being flown to a Texan ranch for a lads weekend then given the card, Nv probably fed all their review partners the review data to produce...

 

[Digital X]

I saw an interview he was in, maybe 2. I've read on r/nvidia that the 17th is the NDA lift for benchmarks.

Personally I can't see much to critisize tbh.

 

[Gregster]

I'm not sure why some people are so hyped up for this, as if it's the second coming. Like the earlier revelation of the big core, this looks pretty damned disappointing given the massive accompanying process shrink.

There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.

Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.

20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.

I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.

Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.

Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.

You won't be getting one then?

 

[Devrij]

As always, we should all wait for the reviews and performance stats before going nuts.

 

[Telecaster]

We're not really comparing like for like though are we, Maxwell is the final iteration of 28nm, Pascal is the first iteration of 16nm.

 

[Kaapstad]

As always, we should all wait for the reviews and performance stats before going nuts.

+1

Anyone looking to buy one of these new Pascal cards needs to read the reviews very carefully to make sure it is really suitable for them.

What I mean by this is the 1080 is reported to be a very fast card but it only has a 256bit bus, will this effect performance @2160p or not for example.

Just because a card is fast does not mean it is fast in everything.

Remember the GTX 690, when it launched it was a fantastic card up to 1600p and destroyed everything else around. Above 1600p it was useless and got hammered by the 7970s.

We need to wait for the reviews.

 

[Seanspeed]

I'm not sure why some people are so hyped up for this, as if it's the second coming. Like the earlier revelation of the big core, this looks pretty damned disappointing given the massive accompanying process shrink.

There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.

Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.

20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.

I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.

Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.

Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.

After your absolute insistence that Nvidia could never launch anytime near AMD, I'm afraid you really have very little credibility here. You seem to just be configured to be negative about Nvidia no matter what the case.

Also, we're talking about a 20% increase in performance over a 980Ti on a chip that is half the size. It's not mind blowing, but it's definitely not disappointing.

 

[TheRealDeal]

We're not really comparing like for like though are we, Maxwell is the final iteration of 28nm, Pascal is the first iteration of 16nm.

It's already been reported that when a 1080 and 980ti were running at the same core clocks of 1800 the 980ti was faster. This suggests that very little has been done to boost architecture between Maxwell and pascal. The 1080 has slightly less cuda cores but if they had added much in the way of performance enhancements you would expect the 1080 to be as fast or faster. It doesn't matter anyhow as the monster clocks of the 1080 make it the fastest single gpu card on the planet which is all that really matters for now.

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

Given that Jay has already said he'll be putting 3 1080s in his personal PC, I wouldn't expect too much objectivity from the chap.

 

[Seanspeed]

It's already been reported that when a 1080 and 980ti were running at the same core clocks of 1800 the 980ti was faster.

In just that one specific artificial benchmark.

 

[Kaapstad]

I'm not sure why some people are so hyped up for this, as if it's the second coming. Like the earlier revelation of the big core, this looks pretty damned disappointing given the massive accompanying process shrink.

There seems to be virtually no architcectural improvement (save for a couple of scenarios in vr where they were hilariously weak to begin with), and the fears of a respun maxwell rushed to FINFET seem confirmed. It's going to be a long wait for Volta, for NVIDIA, and I think they'll struggle badly to compete.

Those high clocks are way higher stock than is preferable. Yes FINFET increases clocks, but the total lack of architectural upgrade is being compensated for with super high clocks and much higher than expected TDPs relative to performance. I suspect that these clocks will lead to core degradation pretty quickly.

20% higher performance than a 980TI for 20% higher price, at those TDPs, from 28nm planar to 16nmFINFET seems really poor.

I suspect the much smaller Polaris 10 core from AMD will generally come very close to this, and in some scenarios completely obliterate it due to new hardware features. I think a Polaris or Vega core of similar size to these GP104s would likely be on a different planet performance wise.

Don't get caught up in what's probably going to be very short lived hype. I suspect Pascal's going to be a total bust relative to the competition, and already looks very disappointing given the huge nodal leap.

Rushing out a paper launch, with no volume availability until probably late July or August, ahead of AMD, is likely for very good reason. I think NVIDIA know they have a turkey.

There will be new 1080s on the shelves on 27 May, when will AMD have next gen cards for sale ?

 

[Kaapstad]

Given that Jay has already said he'll be putting 3 1080s in his personal PC, I wouldn't expect too much objectivity from the chap.

I would like to know how he is going to get them to run as the SLI bridges they use only support 2 way setups.

 

[Rroff]

It's already been reported that when a 1080 and 980ti were running at the same core clocks of 1800 the 980ti was faster. This suggests that very little has been done to boost architecture between Maxwell and pascal. The 1080 has slightly less cuda cores but if they had added much in the way of performance enhancements you would expect the 1080 to be as fast or faster. It doesn't matter anyhow as the monster clocks of the 1080 make it the fastest single gpu card on the planet which is all that really matters for now.

Problem is if they've focused on significantly adding in enhancements for DX12 type processing that will be more relevant with future titles and the benchmark was older stuff then there might not be that much apparent difference or even a drop in performance in that particular case.