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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Seanspeed said:
In just that one specific artificial benchmark.
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It's all we have to go on atm. It had been said a few times before the 1080 launch that Pascal will be very similar to Maxwell architecture wise. A little like what happened between 7970/290x/FuryX. They are different but very similar.

Rroff said:
Problem is if they've focused on significantly adding in enhancements for DX12 type processing that will be more relevant with future titles and the benchmark was older stuff then there might not be that much apparent difference or even a drop in performance in that particular case.
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This could be the case or they thought Maxwell was going to be good for DX12 just like AMD. Maxwell is not that old in the scheme of things and works really well with Dx11 which is still current.
 
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DarrenM343 said:
Why? Not arguing just interested in your opinion why? :)
If the performance between them alone is similar, why would someone pay the same price as a brand new card for a second hand card that is lacking all the new technology and features? if someone wants to play with VR the 1070 would be the only option of the two so the 980 would not even make it into the decision process

if a new 1070 came in at £300 (likely to be more expensive than that of course), I'd reckon a new 980 Ti would be more like £200-220 and therefore second hand even less, £120-150 absolute max
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Sorry I wasn't clear - I was replying to someone above saying bids at £200 were a joke. I was trying to say I think a £200 price is about right if 1070 is £300.

Not a good time to be a 980TI owner - that card was always overpriced.
 
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Minstadave said:
Sorry I wasn't clear - I was replying to someone above saying bids at £200 were a joke. I was trying to say I think a £200 price is about right if 1070 is £300.

Not a good time to be a 980TI owner - that card was always overpriced.
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Absolutely right on the 980Ti being overpriced. People got seriously ripped off.
 
I don't think they did. If they bought it, then they clearly saw the value in it. I don't think people deliberately purchase things if they see it as poor value. If they do then it makes no sense.

If you're willing to pay £500 for one, then you clearly see it as worth it.
 
MooMoo444 said:
I don't think they did. If they bought it, then they clearly saw the value in it. I don't think people deliberately purchase things if they see it as poor value. If they do then it makes no sense.

If you're willing to pay £500 for one, then you clearly see it as worth it.
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Doesn't mean there right about its value.
 
TheRealDeal said:
It's already been reported that when a 1080 and 980ti were running at the same core clocks of 1800 the 980ti was faster. This suggests that very little has been done to boost architecture between Maxwell and pascal. The 1080 has slightly less cuda cores but if they had added much in the way of performance enhancements you would expect the 1080 to be as fast or faster. It doesn't matter anyhow as the monster clocks of the 1080 make it the fastest single gpu card on the planet which is all that really matters for now.
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Allowing a processor to run at a higher clock speed that outperforms an older processor is an architectural improvement, let alone doing that with fewer CUDA cores.
 
D.P. said:
Allowing a processor to run at a higher clock speed that outperforms an older processor is an architectural improvement, let alone doing that with fewer CUDA cores.
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While i am no expert would you not get this from the shrink. Under Ln2 the gtx980ti could run over 2ghz so it was capable all along on 28nm.
 
I also find it hilarious that the peopel going on that PAscal is not a new archiettcre were almost cetainly saying the same thing about Maxwlel form Kepler. Its all they have to grasp on to.

All this nonsense that nvidia had to rush out a simple die-shrink of Maxwell is hilarious. You can't just do a straight optical shrink for starters, let alone whip up a new processor design in a few months just to Spite AMD fans. Nvidia has been working on Pascal for years, long before Maxwell ever it the retail shelves!.
 
Kaapstad said:
So will you be saying in 8 months time that the 1070 and 1080 are overpriced when the full fat Polaris and Pascal cards turn up.
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They don't mention the 980 being overpriced compared to the 970, even though performance wasn't massively different between them.. Unless it's just because of the ram issue thing it had going on :p
 
Kaapstad said:
So will you be saying in 8 months time that the 1070 and 1080 are overpriced when the full fat Polaris and Pascal cards turn up.
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These will come in at TitanX prices I suspect, Nvidia are shifting prices upwards nicely. Need a bit of competition but AMD have been pretty lacklustre recently.
 
D.P. said:
I also find it hilarious that the peopel going on that PAscal is not a new archiettcre were almost cetainly saying the same thing about Maxwlel form Kepler. Its all they have to grasp on to.

All this nonsense that nvidia had to rush out a simple die-shrink of Maxwell is hilarious. You can't just do a straight optical shrink for starters, let alone whip up a new processor design in a few months just to Spite AMD fans. Nvidia has been working on Pascal for years, long before Maxwell ever it the retail shelves!.
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It's obvious that Maxwell was a new architecture from Kepler. It's not so obvious here though.
 
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dits said:
If after 8 months the 1070/80 are still at launch price, then yes
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Cards don't tend to drop massive amounts in price over their retail life, it is only when they are EOL that we see big discounts.

A GPU is just a tool for playing games, it is not an investment.:)
 
Have they actually mentioned FE are going to be binned chips? Because everyone seems to think that on here but I am not sure if NVidia can be bothered with binning.
May be just unlucked voltage?
Or may be following intel success with i5 i7 xxxx and i5 i7 xxxxk ?!
I reckon 1070FE is going to be 1070k if you know what I mean.
And reference onces will be locked in some ways.
Overclocked 980Ti/Titan may still be better than standard 1070 overclocked (if at all possible)
 
Don't think they've said anything definite but seemed to be the theme of that bit of the presentation that those cards would be capable of hitting a certain level of performance and the non-FE cards would be more random.
 
I am still wondering if Pascal is a coaxed die shrink of Maxwell and as such found the following snippet interesting.

The game was running at 4K but only hitting about 50 fps, just a bit below the desired 60 fps for a 60Hz display. By flipping a switch, the game renders the outer portions of the display at a lower resolution and stretches these, leaving the main section of the display—where you’re most likely focused during gaming—at full quality. Frame rates jumped from 45-50 fps without multi-projection to over 60 fps, and while there was a slight loss in quality, it was only really visible if you were stationary and carefully looking for the change. I was able to talk with the developers a bit, and they indicated that their game is one of the first to use multi-res shading in this fashion, and it will work on both Maxwell 2.0 as well as Pascal cards.
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Taken from Here’s How NVIDIA’s Simultaneous Multi-Projection Can Benefit 4K Gaming.
 
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