** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[Troezar]

What I think is going to be interesting is how well the 1xxx sales do. We all know the 970 and 980ti sold 10,000's of units they were a massive seller for Nvidia which reflected in their balance sheet. Can the same people who spent there money, in the TI case £500+ only a year ago then invest in the 1070 or more likely the 1080ti and give Nvidia the same sales figures?

Good question. There is a huge amount of personal debt out there, it all depends how close we are to the economy going pop again...

 

[smogsy]

What I think is going to be interesting is how well the 1xxx sales do. We all know the 970 and 980ti sold 10,000's of units they were a massive seller for Nvidia which reflected in their balance sheet. Can the same people who spent there money, in the TI case £500+ only a year ago then invest in the 1070 or more likely the 1080ti and give Nvidia the same sales figures?

You forgot the 980s but that was longer ago so... Maybe not
I spent 900 or more on 980s in 2014?

I'm very interested in a 1080 as I play @4K

I'm tempted by 2..

Most games I get 45fps at 4K the extra boost could be 60Fps

Although my new game is overwatch 4K at 100fps is easy

 

[Simon Belmont]

It doesn't matter how they spin it, Pascal was a rushed compromise and didn't exist ~2 years ago. They cancelled a uarch i forget the name of nearly 3 years ago, and moved Volta forwards from its already slightly delayed ETA to fill the gap. Then they announced that Volta had been pushed back at least another 18 months, and that 'Pascal' would fill the gap.

Since then there has been much speculation about it being a half way house between Maxwell (non-asynchrous and non-parallel) to Volta (much more GCN-like).

The reality is that Pascal is quite clearly FINFET Maxwell.

Huge clocks (which add to TDP and probably significantly reduce useful life) can't make up for an architecture that's already looking long in the tooth, and is now expected to last well into 2018. Software tricks like Multi-Projection aren't going to cut it.

It's now abundantly clear why that Stardock developer implied that Pascal wouldn't be efficient enough for certain applications, and Polaris would ... high clocks are NVIDIA's only weapon.

This whole post is absolute nonsense. How do you sleep at night? Rubbish mate. I thought others here were crap, but this is a complete joke post.

 

[Tute]

I can't say I care if the above is true or not. Just give me better than TX performance for £350, whilst being cool and quiet and i'll bite.

Same goes for AMD.

 

[D.P.]

This whole post is absolute nonsense. How do you sleep at night? Rubbish mate. I thought others here were crap, but this is a complete joke post.

Its hilarious watching some people with certain brand allegiances struggle to come to terms with their world being turned upside down

Psychologists love to study this kind of event. Thh subjects are going through all the classic stages from denial to desperately searching for any justification for their previous beliefs, trying to kick up as much irrelevant dirt as they can etc.

 

[tonyt3rry]

Wow. The Pascal reveal really has AMD's embedded PR drones worked up.

All weekend doing your bit to try and put people off.

I noticed roy trying to be persuasive on twitter telling people go amd for async compute dx12 and having better drivers

 

[Safetytrousers]

Can the same people who spent there money, in the TI case £500+ only a year ago then invest in the 1070 or more likely the 1080ti and give Nvidia the same sales figures?

I got a good price on my 780 (595 100% on Ebay), so my 980ti was much less than a £500 outlay for me.
I don't know how much my 980ti will go for, about £200 I hope.

 

[GFX-Kid]

I can't say I care if the above is true or not. Just give me better than TX performance for £350, whilst being cool and quiet and i'll bite.

Same goes for AMD.

Yup. I personally don't give a tute which company. As long as they give me 980Ti class performance for £300 with a gpu that has more vram and runs cooler and quieter

 

[D.P.]

I noticed roy trying to be persuasive on twitter telling people go amd for async compute dx12 and having better drivers

That is a pretty bad sign IMO. What he should have done is put up a benchmark with a 390X, FuryX, 980Ti and Polaris 10/11, shown respective power draw and put a price up. Job done, AMD fans go crazy, shuts down Nvidia's limelight and immediately pauses at least some people preordering the 1080.

Instead the runours and leaked benchmarks are liekly true. Big Polaris gets close to 390X performance with much less power only a small cheap eaisly fabbed chip. That is all the makings of a great GPU for the low and mid-end which Nvidia don't have an answer for yet (Gp106 rumored for maybe September). If priced properly below the 1070 it will sell well. AMD are just left with no response to bigger faster Pasal cards.

I hope I'm wrong about AMD but I just don't see it. The leaked specs and chip size, power consumption, benchmarks and absolutely no rumour of a 300-400mm chip from AMD.

 

[Rroff]

Could you 2 love birds please provide some source material for your claims? would be lovely to read from a trusted source, would make it a lot easier to figure out what is right and what is less so if so.

Well he seems to just be regurgitating what someone has posted on a certain other forum.

We'll see who is right soon enough heh.

PS a year ago I claimed an early June release for the mid-range Pascal - his comment was that being realistic mid Q4 and absolutely no chance of a Q2 release

 

[nashathedog]

At the end of the day it's nice to see gpu's with decent amounts of ram and decent grunt for 1440p gaming. ie the 1080.

 

[nashathedog]

I actually like that angular cooler, the old one was flat and boring.

It's growing on me too now we've actually seen it properly finished, It looked like a right minger at first.

I may jump on a 10 series card but then again I may wait as I'm not getting a new monitor for a while and I would like to go free-sync if AMD stay in the game. Plus my Fury is doing its job well at the moment so there's no rush.

 

[Dicehunter]

Apparently the only reference style card will be the founders edition, Anything else will be custom.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2427-difference-between-gtx-1080-founders-edition-and-reference

 

[D.P.]

Could you 2 love birds please provide some source material for your claims? would be lovely to read from a trusted source, would make it a lot easier to figure out what is right and what is less so if so.

I'm not sure on Pascal details but Maxwell certainly supports "async" compute (The Dx12 spec actual doesn't say anything about Async compute but multiple engines). The problem is it performs best with bigger compute jobs and needs more developer care not to make performance worse instead do better. GCN works better with more smaller compute tasks and is more developer friendly (although it is still easy to make performance works on GCN), but that comes with a much bigger overhead.

One can say that AMD's "async compute" capability is superior but to say Maxwell doesn't do it or cheats or relies on software is just a blatant lie. Don't trust anyone who claims such nonsense.

 

[Digital X]

Can't remember where I saw it but a list of aftermarket cooler companies was shown, and Colorful was one of them? Haven't seen anything from them in a little while.

 

[Safetytrousers]

Can't remember where I saw it but a list of aftermarket cooler companies was shown, and Colorful was one of them? Haven't seen anything from them in a little while.

''The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 "Founders Edition" will be available on May 27 for $699. It will be available from ASUS, Colorful, EVGA, Gainward, Galaxy, Gigabyte, Innovision 3D, MSI, NVIDIA. Palit, PNY and Zotac. Custom boards from partners will vary by region and pricing is expected to start at $599.''
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/a-quantum-leap-in-gaming:-nvidia-introduces-geforce-gtx-1080

 

[Strife212]

It (1080) has less transistors than 980Ti and Titan X.

Which is very interesting as the whole point of moving down a process node is to put more transistors on.

Big Pascal should be insane.

 

[Minstadave]

Which is very interesting as the whole point of moving down a process node is to put more transistors on.

Not always - die shrinks mean you can often get higher frequencies. Then you can get more performance without more transistors, meaning a smaller die and cheaper GPUs.

 

[Mei]

It (1080) has less transistors than 980Ti and Titan X.

Which is very interesting as the whole point of moving down a process node is to put more transistors on.

Big Pascal should be insane.

"big pascal" should be smaller cards too as hbm
im rly looking forward to that stuff
crazy fast itx builds!

 

[NirK]

Apparently the only reference style card will be the founders edition, Anything else will be custom.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2427-difference-between-gtx-1080-founders-edition-and-reference

Hmm weird, so if that is correct, then the "founders edtion" is a "reference" card, except it is more than the "custom" cards. There are no other "reference" nvidia cards except the "founders edition". Maybe no cards will actually be at the lower RRP. Will the custom cards be available on the 27th as well?