** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[Nexus18]

Many find 16:9 far better for gaming then superwide. Been trying to find a good replacement monitor for my 6 year old one but there just isn't anything worth while to upgrade from (Dell U2711). I don't like curved screens as they are rubbish due to distorting the image and ruin the game look. Superwide has less height to the screen then 16:9 and often has UI problems. Personally I find the X34 predator a rubbish gaming monitor. I would rather have my 6 year old screen then that thing and it wouldn't surprise me to find out curved screens are a fad that fades away over the years. There are no real advantage to curved screens, only disadvantage like worse viewing angles to distortion. EDIT: Superwide I can see a use for in work its just I don't like the loss in screen height. Superwide have a lot less height to them.

Don't knock curved until you have seen a 34" 21.9 monitor. IMO, it is a very nice addition as the 34" screens are so wide that the curved helps with the viewing experience i.e. you can see the corners better + it feels even more immersive, not to mention it also helps reduce the IPS glow in the corners, which is much needed for those 34" screens.

If you are doing photoshop, CAD or whatever type of work then yes a curved screen won't be a good screen to use but for any media consumption, it is great. Although, only a subtle curve, not a steep curve like the upcoming Samsung monitors.

Curved for everything else is absolutely pointless though especially TVs.

Also, you don't "lose" height with 21.9 screens, they also don't "gain" height to their 16.9 equivalents, that is down to how the aspect ratio works.

Most games all work very well with 21.9 too, I don't think I have got one game on my system where I can't get 21.9 to work, be it supported officially or a simple tweak in a config file to enable it. Most games have UI/HUD problems though i.e. they will be stuck in 16.9 position, which is rather annoying but not a deal breaker.

Everything else you need to know about 21.9 can be found here:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18684417

EDIT:

Also worth noting that 21.9 resolutions have over taken 4k on steam survey now, considering how long 4k has been out as well as the huge variety to choose from, not bad going at all for 21.9

 

[CivilDrone]

Not even sure why I am looking to upgrade
My 980 clocks well and the sad part is that I actually game on a 43" sony bravia 59hz TV

 

[OldFatherTime]

Nice review. I'll wait for AMD to set there stall out.

New sub to that channel - that guys brilliant and actually uses facts and reason.

I didn't know that existed on the the internets.

Seems like early Founders Edition 1080 is to be avoided if you can wait. I'll probably goto third party 1070 just to run my X34 better, then onto an HBM2 equipped 1080 (whatever it's called) in 2017/18 to push the new Vive 2.0...

Cheers

 

[Legend]

Don't knock curved until you have seen a 34" 21.9 monitor. IMO, it is a very nice addition as the 34" screens are so wide that the curved helps with the viewing experience i.e. you can see the corners better + it feels even more immersive, not to mention it also helps reduce the IPS glow in the corners, which is much needed for those 34" screens.

If you are doing photoshop, CAD or whatever type of work then yes a curved screen won't be a good screen to use but for any media consumption, it is great. Although, only a subtle curve, not a steep curve like the upcoming Samsung monitors.

Also worth noting that 21.9 resolutions have over taken 4k on steam survey now, considering how long 4k has been out as well as the huge variety to choose from, not bad going at all for 21.9

Fully agree, although I must say I do a bit of Photoshop work and the curve doesn't bother me at all, in fact I don't even notice it. I've had a couple of friends sat in front of it also, and they've all said the same thing, that the curve becomes imperceptible after a while.

I really hope the uptake of 21:9 continues, because it hands down beats 4K in my opinion... easier to drive, better immersion and more wow factor. I am hoping we get news in the coming months of the LG LM375UW1 (3840 x 1600) as that's going to be potentially amazing if they can solve all the niggles with the X34. We need native 100Hz+ ultrawide panels, not overlocked to within an inch of their lives, and the 1080 is certainly going to be more than capable of driving this. Interesting times ahead.

 

[Safetytrousers]

JayzTwoCents said that there is apparently no cherry picking with the Founders (Read:Reference) edition models. That does not say that Nvidia didnt cherry pick one for that demo though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0AoYSH01g

''Now they said that the card we saw on demo was not cherry picked, not hand picked, it came out of a pallet of cards, they just grabbed one, put it in the machine for the demo and didn't even overclock it until shortly before the demo''

It could be that the pallet was full of hand picked ones, but that would be a pretty elaborate ruse.
Spin is one thing, but outright lying would be another.

 

[Brazo]

Possibly, but then if one card does it will barely scrape 60fps at today's games, won't leave you any headroom for tomorrow's games.

 

[Mei]

he didnt do no inspector gadget snooping its just what they told him
still im looking forward to seeing what the custom cards can do!

 

[bru]

I am fully expecting to see the top custom cards with the magical 2GHZ boost clocks, it will probably be the higher end versions, but if the cards can do it, then it will look very good on the boxes and help sell them.

 

[tyler_jrb]

A reference 1080 being able to hit 2.1ghz sounds very promising indeed for overclocking in general and aftermarket cards.

You dont know if they ran it to maximum stable clocks. Allowed it to boost by itself with 2.0. Who knows could do 2.5ghz .

 

[smogsy]

Don't knock curved until you have seen a 34" 21.9 monitor. IMO, it is a very nice addition as the 34" screens are so wide that the curved helps with the viewing experience i.e. you can see the corners better + it feels even more immersive, not to mention it also helps reduce the IPS glow in the corners, which is much needed for those 34" screens.

If you are doing photoshop, CAD or whatever type of work then yes a curved screen won't be a good screen to use but for any media consumption, it is great. Although, only a subtle curve, not a steep curve like the upcoming Samsung monitors.

Curved for everything else is absolutely pointless though especially TVs.

Also, you don't "lose" height with 21.9 screens, they also don't "gain" height to their 16.9 equivalents, that is down to how the aspect ratio works.

Most games all work very well with 21.9 too, I don't think I have got one game on my system where I can't get 21.9 to work, be it supported officially or a simple tweak in a config file to enable it. Most games have UI/HUD problems though i.e. they will be stuck in 16.9 position, which is rather annoying but not a deal breaker.

Everything else you need to know about 21.9 can be found here:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18684417

EDIT:

Also worth noting that 21.9 resolutions have over taken 4k on steam survey now, considering how long 4k has been out as well as the huge variety to choose from, not bad going at all for 21.9

i have both, although i love 21:9, when it works it does not work often enough in games to make me use it as my primary, (dev's fault)

i use 4K 60hz gsync for my primary (rog swift) 1440p rog swift as my secondary & 21:9 as my third

 

[Nexus18]

i have both, although i love 21:9, when it works it does not work often enough in games to make me use it as my primary, (dev's fault)

i use 4K 60hz gsync for my primary (rog swift) 1440p rog swift as my secondary & 21:9 as my third

What games are you having problems with?

 

[melmac]

Nice review. I'll wait for AMD to set there stall out.

This is a brilliant video. Sums up everything perfectly, without bias or hype, just the facts.

He made one interesting point about how the founders edition might cause a little bit of grief for the after market versions from AIB's.

And the second great point he made was about not falling for the founders edition rubbish. Yet, intelligent people on this forum are going to rush out and buy one at launch. Basically rewarding Nvidia for charging them extra.

It's like a frenzy, like when Apple release a new iPhone and the mad fans queue for weeks to be the first to buy one. There is even people on this forum who have said they are going to buy one of the new cards without even waiting for reviews. They are buying one regardless.

Fair play to Nvidia. They have even managed to get Titan X owners considering changing, even though the it seems that it will be more of a side grade than an upgrade. The Titan X even has higher bandwidth.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Is that Grado ?

 

[andybird123]

And the second great point he made was about not falling for the founders edition rubbish. Yet, intelligent people on this forum are going to rush out and buy one at launch. Basically rewarding Nvidia for charging them extra.

ignoring the hyperbole for a second, yes prices will be higher at launch, thats the nature of tech, it always comes down in price over time, but looking at the "$599" or "$379" cards, they come with plastic shrouds and no vapour chamber for once the reference card is actually not the cheapest possible solution... are these cards likely to drop to lower prices over the next few months? possibly yes, but saying that that there is no advantage to getting the reference model vs. getting the cheapest model is not quite accurate and a bit disingenous

even I'm a bit dissapointed with the 1080 price, but it was not at all unexpected given the terribad exchange rate

It also means that AIB's can price their aftermarket cards around the same price as the nvidia card and not be getting undercut by the nvidia card

 

[smogsy]

What games are you having problems with?

Orignally
Diablo (patched i think now)
Overwatch - not retested
Some indie Games
older versions of Euro truck sim (patched)
i believe one of the hitman games
& ofc older games like (rollercoaster tycoon)

 

[OldFatherTime]

Orignally
Diablo (patched i think now)
Overwatch - not retested
Some indie Games
older versions of Euro truck sim (patched)
i believe one of the hitman games
& ofc older games like (rollercoaster tycoon)

You can play the games with black borders if you really want using a 16:9 ratio.... kinda of a non-issue....

 

[N19h7m4r3]

You can play the games with black borders if you really want using a 16:9 ratio.... kinda of a non-issue....

Very few games I encountered even allowed that. If set to 16:9 they just horribly stretch to fit. One of the reasons I sold off my LG34UM95-P.
Also the few that do allow black borders...what's the point. It defeats the purpose of having bought a 21:9 monitor.

Great monitor, too many niggling issues with games; and the reliance on 3rd-party fixes to try and sort it out.

I'll see what happens next near before I get a new monitor again and see if things have gotten better for Ultrawide.

 

[Ian Evey]

This is a brilliant video. Sums up everything perfectly, without bias or hype, just the facts.

He made one interesting point about how the founders edition might cause a little bit of grief for the after market versions from AIB's.

And the second great point he made was about not falling for the founders edition rubbish. Yet, intelligent people on this forum are going to rush out and buy one at launch. Basically rewarding Nvidia for charging them extra.

It's like a frenzy, like when Apple release a new iPhone and the mad fans queue for weeks to be the first to buy one. There is even people on this forum who have said they are going to buy one of the new cards without even waiting for reviews. They are buying one regardless.

Fair play to Nvidia. They have even managed to get Titan X owners considering changing, even though the it seems that it will be more of a side grade than an upgrade. The Titan X even has higher bandwidth.

yeah exactly, kinda reminds me of the Fury X pre order Release.

 

[melmac]

ignoring the hyperbole for a second, yes prices will be higher at launch, thats the nature of tech, it always comes down in price over time, but looking at the "$599" or "$379" cards, they come with plastic shrouds and no vapour chamber for once the reference card is actually not the cheapest possible solution... are these cards likely to drop to lower prices over the next few months? possibly yes, but saying that that there is no advantage to getting the reference model vs. getting the cheapest model is not quite accurate and a bit disingenous

even I'm a bit dissapointed with the 1080 price, but it was not at all unexpected given the terribad exchange rate

It also means that AIB's can price their aftermarket cards around the same price as the nvidia card and not be getting undercut by the nvidia card

The founders edition is a money grab, plain and simple. And again, fair play to Nvidia, people aren't just going to pay it, but also defend it as well.

As for the AIB's, all it means is that AIB's will be able to charge even more for their custom cards, if they show that they can reach cooler temps then the Founders cards why would they charge the same?

 

[Ian Evey]

Yes.

I hate compromising on graphics settings, I always need to know i'm seeing "the best graphics", so would rather game at 1080p ultra than 4k on low or whatever.

Pulling the sliders back is a no no for me.

I hope Dave2150 is reading this as he said 0.0001% of people use max settings at 4k.

Now its yourself and kaap that use max settings @ 4k.

That has to be more like 0.002 now.