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** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

Gerard said:
Therein lies the problem, amd could come out with something that smokes the nvidia offering and still sell far less. Its just the way things are in the gfx market.
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Yep Amd have released some great hardware over the past years and still lose market share to Nvidia. The Fury range was not great but GCN as a whole is great tech and keeps giving.
 
Gerard said:
Therein lies the problem, amd could come out with something that smokes the nvidia offering and still sell far less. Its just the way things are in the gfx market.
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Yeah, shame that. But it is not just the graphics market, it's like that in the mobile market too.

It is a bit like the flies on poop. Plus people want to be where it is perceived to cool so they don't feel left out :p
 
drunkenmaster said:
Just to point out that AMD competition has very little to do with prices. Apple has competition but still have rocket high prices, in fact Apple frequently have worse phones than Samsung in terms of performance, yet charge way more. It's because customers pay more when asked, nothing else.

If Nvidia guys give a flat no to £620 for this card.... Nvidia will drop the price to sell them completely independently of what AMD can provide. The consumer has a huge amount of the power to control if they overpay for a product or not. There is a tipping point, IE Nvidia might need to make $250 to cover costs at all and might want $400 to make a healthy profit to cover all R&D costs. Which means if they price it at $600 and no one buys they'll drop the price towards fair, but once it hits $400 it depends on what sales are. If they think they can double sales by dropping a further $50 it makes sense, if they think they will only increase sales by 20% more by dropping to $350(which would be a 33% drop in profit) then it makes no sense.

The consumer doesn't have absolute control of the cards price but they absolutely have control to put the prices down into the reasonable range of sensible profit for Nvidia simply by exercising some self control.

The problem is when people don't, it just lets Nvidia know their customers have no sense and will pay more so they'll charge more again for the next card and they'll keep raising prices until even Easyrider is like "wait, this actually doesn't make sense anymore". Companies will keep raising prices exactly up to the point the consumer doesn't let them... the consumer choses exactly where that point is, not Nvidia.
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Agreed

I doubt NV will buckle under pressure even if AMD did have a decent card up its sleeve as it stands, NV is forcing its way towards AAPL territory, its quite clear
 
I'm just waiting for custom versions of the 1080 give me a 1080 that can comfortably sit at 2.1ghz+ not throttle down due to temps or power, little noise as possible and run cool and you've got yourself a customer, I was waiting on the reference 1080 but priced at £600+ and can barely reach 2ghz with most reviewers getting around 2050mhz then it's a pass from me (y)
 
Tommy_Here said:
I'm just waiting for custom versions of the 1080 give me a 1080 that can comfortably sit at 2.1ghz+ not throttle down due to temps or power, little noise as possible and run cool and you've got yourself a customer, I was waiting on the reference 1080 but priced at £600+ and can barely reach 2ghz with most reviewers getting around 2050mhz then it's a pass from me (y)
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I very much doubt the partner custom boards are going to be any cheaper to be honest.

The whole founders card is just a buffer zone so that the partner boards can come in and not look so bad at that price.

yes they will be better boards terms of design cooling over-clocking ect but still the price as been set and i do not believe a word nvidia say re that they will be cheaper.

Yes maybe £30 cheaper if that but i have my doubts
 
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harney said:
I very much doubt the partner custom boards are going to be any cheaper to be honest.

The whole founders card is just a buffer zone so that the partner boards can come in and not look so bad at that price.

yes they will be better boards terms of design cooling ect but still the price as been set and i do not believe a word nvidia say re that they will be cheaper.

Yes maybe £30 cheaper if that but i have my doubts
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Im guessing you havent seen that galax leaf blower version yet :p
 
Jono8 said:
Im guessing you havent seen that galax leaf blower version yet :p
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Yes, but that will be the kind of bargain basement card you get at the bottom price. It will likely be inferior to the FE in every way, but as mentioned it'll probably only be £30 less or so. The likes of MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte etc. will be bringing products to market that most likely exceed the FE in all areas... cooler, quieter and faster... and people think they will charge LESS?? I am beginning to suspect the $599 price-tag (and whatever we get hit with in £) was a PR sham. :(
 
Reality check time... Play from 22 minutes 45 secs.



or click this will take you right to the part:-

https://youtu.be/ZdfAo9p9Q2k?t=22m45s


http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreview...nders-edition-review-and-fps-benchmark/page-7

Generally, as shown heavily in charts on preceding pages, the GTX 1080 outperforms the stock GTX 980 Ti by between 13 and ~24%, depending on title and API. The Fury X trails by about 20-30% on average, with the GTX 980 (non-Ti) in the same ~30% trail. Some of the leads over the GTX 980 Ti could be attributed largely to the clock-rate increase, as the architecture doesn't make many changes in the way of Dx11 advancements (other than more raw power).


Now tell me that a 1080 is worth £620... They are taking the micky and some of the reviewers are too with their nvidia sponsored results. Other sites around the world not the top youtube clan are finding the same 980ti to 1080 is nothing more than about a 15% increase in performance, so half what some of these youtubers and so called respectable sites are saying in most cases. Then of course we had Nvidia screaming out twice the performance of a Titan X and 3 times more efficient .... as good as 2 x 980.... right.... Damn really... and I buy their products too and allow them to do this.. Its got really silly with them and Intel .. Just wait for the 10 core price of the new Broadwell-E too... That will make you gulp too..

Intel and Nvidia and Apple are all drinking the same Kool-Aid.. They are taking the micky selling what really is a mid range part in their selection at what was high end parts prices only a couple of years ago at max.
 
Well, personally having just as much sense as I have money, I will be voting with my wallet and not buying a gtx 1080 for £620 :p

And if there are enough like-minded individuals, watch the price come tumbling down.

If enough people boycott this product, watch nvidia panic and the price will be £500 before you even know it.
 
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1080 is only $49 more MSRP than the 980ti was, I think. Coupled with exchange rates and UK taxes.

Bit more than I personally want to spend on a GPU at the moment but the whiners comments seem entirely wrong?
 
I have a 980Ti and I am still getting a 1080 and putting it under water...

I am more interested in future performance for DX12/vulkan games now (30/40% increase on 1080) then keeping a card that has poor async compute and is going to get hammered by AMD by all accounts.

although I will wait as I can see the founders card is way overpriced for what it is.. AIB cards should be interesting
 
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Jono8 said:
It was leaked a while back. Just a standard reference blower card.
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thx

Would that be without the so called nvidia vapour chamber ..if so god help us with the melt down clock down.

basically that card be de clocking it self all the time if you wanted it running quite. looking at what's happening with the nvidia reference ..sry founders card is doing

But the price is the most interesting part if its cheap and i mean a lot cheaper then its good for a block at least.
 
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