** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[harney]

Yeh I do not plan on ranting the ***p out of it, but would be nice to get 2.1-2.2Ghz with no throttling and quiet fans. That would keep most of the lead over 980ti that you see in the stock benchmarks.

Yes i think 2.1-2.2 is very doable even with stock bios with extra power connectors and with keeping cool and quite .... 2.3 2.4 + however with bios mods only time will tell but at what cost re power heat noise ect and of course a little bit of dice rolling getting the right card chip

 

[Greebo]

nice to see that there will be partner cards with 1900 stock speeds out of the box.

 

[Greebo]

Yes i think 2.1-2.2 is very doable even with stock bios with extra power connectors and with keeping cool and quite .... 2.3 2.4 + however with bios mods only time will tell but at what cost re power heat noise ect and of course a little bit of dice rolling getting the right card chip

Water or hybrid FTW

 

[NirK]

Will be both 2 x 8 pin as 2 x 6 pin would be the same as 1 x 8 pin on the FE board so pointless

Actually I just looked at the reference 980 on the Nvidia site and that has 2 x 6 pin as well. Whereas the reference 1080 has 1 x 8 pin... so yes hopefully they will not be 2 x 6 pin on the lower end 1080's like the amp (not extreme).

 

[Kaapstad]

nice to see that there will be partner cards with 1900 stock speeds out of the box.

Unlike FE cards that do it out of the case.

 

[Purgatory]

Unlike FE cards that do it out of the case.

 

[NirK]

Dupe

 

[Rroff]

Unlike FE cards that do it out of the case.

lol

 

[whyscotty]

Yes i think 2.1-2.2 is very doable even with stock bios with extra power connectors and with keeping cool and quite .... 2.3 2.4 + however with bios mods only time will tell but at what cost re power heat noise ect and of course a little bit of dice rolling getting the right card chip

So pot luck then

 

[Rroff]

Aside from maybe some golden cores I have a feeling nothing good will come out of forcing the FE cards to do >2.2GHz with hardware/bios mods.

 

[varkanoid]

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 AMP! and AMP! Extreme pictured.

Spoiler

http://videocardz.com/60325/zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-amp-and-amp-extreme-pictured

Does that look like a small switch in between the 2x6 power connectors on the last two pictures ?

 

[Purgatory]

Yes agree

If it was not for the 21.9 screens i would have lost interest too.... RTS race sims & FPS are great on these screens but sadly yes the 980ti is just a bit fraction shy in performance to be a perfect match even @1550 ...

The 1080.... well a good over clocked one may be the answer for 3440x1440 ....but at over £600 forget it ....

I will sit tight and wait for Ti....

 

[beany_bot]

[/SPOILER]

Does that look like a small switch in between the 2x6 power connectors on the last two pictures ?

Nope it's a b****y led. It will be a superbright And I bet you cant turn it off.

 

[D.P.]

No you added that part about in relation to Pascal later,

In order to clarify for you what I meant because you were taking it out of context.

at the time you just said Maxwell would be lower clock speeds and higher power with a die shrink. Full stop.

And in the context of what we were discussing it was obvious that what i was referring to was if you did an optical die shrink of Maxwell it would run slower and draw more power than pascal.



Conversely, if nvidia released Pascal on the 28NM process it would still run faster than Maxwell.

 

[D.P.]

So custom boards already available... I never understood the FE but now I have to say wtf?

I listened to NV's "explanation" for why it exists but it was clearly lies. Can anyone help me out here?

So you choose to ignore nvidia's explanation and then fail to come up with an alternative but are so sure Nvidia are screwing customers over that you can't dare to believe they were telling the truth.

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is quite liekly correct. Nvidia likely had complainants from AIB partners that selling reference cards on the cheap put nvidia at competition with the AIBs. Simultaneously Nvidia received pressure form systems builders like Dell to provide reference cards with reference coolers, bios, clocks, power for the lifetime of the GPU so they don't have to source replacement GPUS and change their lineups. Keeping a large supply of reference GPUs at cutdown process will annoy the AIB partners further.

Thus the simple thing to do was to have a reference card available thought the GPU lifetime and raise the price s the AIB's have more flexibility and less competition. If the reference cards were going to be sold with a premium price then they needed a premium cooler, NV's marketing department got the memo but unfortunately engineering screwed up. The fact that Nvidia would reap the benefits of increased profit margins by seeing a premium reference card was just the icing on the cake.



Where Nvidia screwed up royally was making an underpar cooler, marketing it as premium, and lowering the fan speed compared to the 980ti so the 1080 ends up throttling in poor airflow cases. A Bios fix will help greatly with temperatures but Nvidia's marketing mistake will take time to repair.

EDIT: Nvidia may have also wanted to release the FE edition first and have a true hard launch but the back lash of "early adopters tax" meant they simply withheld stock until the AIB cards go on sale. However, its not clear that the FE cards were shipping before the last few days.

 

[Legend]

So you choose to ignore nvidia's explanation and then fail to come up with an alternative but are so sure Nvidia are screwing customers over that you can't dare to believe they were telling the truth.

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is quite liekly correct. Nvidia likely had complainants from AIB partners that selling reference cards on the cheap put nvidia at competition with the AIBs. Simultaneously Nvidia received pressure form systems builders like Dell to provide reference cards with reference coolers, bios, clocks, power for the lifetime of the GPU so they don't have to source replacement GPUS and change their lineups. Keeping a large supply of reference GPUs at cutdown process will annoy the AIB partners further.

Thus the simple thing to do was to have a reference card available thought the GPU lifetime and raise the price s the AIB's have more flexibility and less competition. If the reference cards were going to be sold with a premium price then they needed a premium cooler, NV's marketing department got the memo but unfortunately engineering screwed up. The fact that Nvidia would reap the benefits of increased profit margins by seeing a premium reference card was just the icing on the cake.

Where Nvidia screwed up royally was making an udnerpar cooler, marketing it as premium, and lowering the fan speed compared to the 980ti so the 1080 ends up throttling in poor airflow cases. A Bios fix will help greatly with temperaturess but Nvidia's marketing mistake will take time to repair.

This certainly seems plausible. What's equally annoying though is that this strategy allows the AIB's to price their cards right up to, and even beyond in some cases, the cost of the FE. It basically gives them free reign to charge the absolute maximum for their product, as their only competition (the Reference, now FE) has kindly been removed from their path by Nvidia. It gives them total and complete flexibilty to release a range of products at prices that simply would not have been possible had Nvidia released the FE at $599. It's one massive collusion basically, orchestrated to maximise profits and squeeze every last penny out of the consumer. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being exceptionally naive.

 

[RUN4Y0URL1F3]

This certainly seems plausible. What's equally annoying though is that this strategy allows the AIB's to price their cards right up to, and even beyond in some cases, the cost of the FE. It basically gives them free reign to charge the absolute maximum for their product, as their only competition (the Reference, now FE) has kindly been removed from their path by Nvidia. It gives them total and complete flexibilty to release a range of products at prices that simply would not have been possible had Nvidia released the FE at $599. It's one massive collusion basically, orchestrated to maximise profits and squeeze every last penny out of the consumer. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being exceptionally naive.

Or maybe the AIB cards will have a lower price point, as AIB partners will try and sell big volumes and the "Reference Design" will not hinder them.

 

[Phixsator]

Nvidia likely had complainants from AIB partners that selling reference cards on the cheap put nvidia at competition with the AIBs.

I highly doubt that cause most people would overlook the reference coolers to begin with and go straight to an aftermarket model so i call BS on this being the proper reason behind the Founders edition.

You could flip the argument to: how would it look for an AIB to sell something cheaper than the founders edition when the founders edition is already pretty bad in the cooling and power department? would look inferior in some peoples eyes even if it is not.

Simultaneously Nvidia received pressure form systems builders like Dell to provide reference cards with reference coolers, bios, clocks, power for the lifetime of the GPU so they don't have to source replacement GPUS and change their lineups. Keeping a large supply of reference GPUs at cutdown process will annoy the AIB partners further.

Just because system builders want a card doesn't make the founders edition price more sensible. If demand is high price go down not UP. Well atleast that is how the tech industry works for the most part these days.

Thus the simple thing to do was to have a reference card available thought the GPU lifetime and raise the price s the AIB's have more flexibility and less competition.

How is a more expensive reference model, which btw offers only the most barebone of features in terms of cooling and power delivery, equal to more flexibility when they(AIB) are pretty much forced to release at least some of their models at MSRP since nvidia already claimed that would happen. If anything that gives them less flexibility. Since nVidia has established the FE as a sort of HALO product its pretty clear that they want to sell more of them, which in term will take some sales away from board partners because marketing.

If the reference cards were going to be sold with a premium price then they needed a premium cooler, NV's marketing department got the memo but unfortunately engineering screwed up. The fact that Nvidia would reap the benefits of increased profit margins by seeing a premium reference card was just the icing on the cake.

The first part i agree with you on, the cooler should have been better. What i also feel is missing is a proper power supply with more than 5 phases and more than 1x 8 pin. But i dont think engineering screwed up. I dont think these things go unnoticed unless your name is AMD(sorry could not help myself here its a joke btw). This has been done deliberately to gain as high a profit margin as possible. One thing i think we can all agree on is that nVidia is good at running their company.

Where Nvidia screwed up royally was making an udnerpar cooler, marketing it as premium, and lowering the fan speed compared to the 980ti so the 1080 ends up throttling in poor airflow cases. A Bios fix will help greatly with temperaturess but Nvidia's marketing mistake will take time to repair.

The bolded part is wrong, the card will throttle even in on an open test bench if you dont mess with the fan speed and/or temp target and power target.

 

[Tommy_Here]

**EVGA GTX 1080 SC&FTW PICTURED**! http://videocardz.com/60333/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-acx-3-0-superclocked-and-ftw-pictured

 

[beany_bot]

**EVGA GTX 1080 SC&FTW PICTURED**! http://videocardz.com/60333/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-acx-3-0-superclocked-and-ftw-pictured

Looks just like every other EVGA card for the last god knows how long. Never cared for the design.