** The Official Nvidia GeForce 'Pascal' Thread - for general gossip and discussions **

[D.P.]

Don't be coy, you have a conspiracy theory, AMDs live public Polaris demo was a lie....... It must be right, it's the only way your argument can be right. :d

You are compeltely off topic: the entire point is neither AMD nor Nvidia have shown final chips to the blic not udner NDA.

AMD showed a a sealed box because they didn't wan to reveal anything. nvidia had a Maxwell prototype in a glass box for he public because they didn;t want to reveal anything. NVidia showed working pascal to people under NDA who can't talk about it, AMD made some marketing material to journalists to try to generate hype for the fanboys.

Both companies have revealed the same amount of information.

 

[humbug]

You are compeltely off topic: the entire point is neither AMD nor Nvidia have shown final chips to the blic not udner NDA.

AMD showed a a sealed box because they didn't wan to reveal anything. nvidia had a Maxwell prototype in a glass box for he public because they didn;t want to reveal anything. NVidia showed working pascal to people under NDA who can't talk about it, AMD made some marketing material to journalists to try to generate hype for the fanboys.

Both companies have revealed the same amount of information.

Nvidia have revealed nothing working to no one, unless you have something more substantial than your sudden say so. No.

The facts are AMD had a working Polaris on public display at CES. the only argument you have against that is the whole setup was a fake.
Nvidia had a PCB in hand claiming it as Pascal. Tech journalist claim it's actually maxwell, Personally I don't know that it is or isn't, all I do know is it was not running.

 

[ICDP]

You are compeltely off topic: the entire point is neither AMD nor Nvidia have shown final chips to the blic not udner NDA.

This is a strawman as nobody claimed otherwise, just that AMD did show a working GPU (not final). Nvidia on the other hand showed a PX2 with their CEO claiming it was Pascal which was later shown to be false.

AMD showed a a sealed box because they didn't wan to reveal anything. nvidia had a Maxwell prototype in a glass box for he public because they didn;t want to reveal anything. NVidia showed working pascal to people under NDA who can't talk about it, AMD made some marketing material to journalists to try to generate hype for the fanboys.

Both companies have revealed the same amount of information.

Can you show a link where people claimed to have seen working Pascal please? Now while you may claim to know someone who knows someone this is not the same thing as the AMD Polaris demo which was at least shown to the press.

This is not a pro AMD/anti Nvidia post or even one making claims that Nvidia do not have working Pascal out there. I am just pointing out that contrary to what you claim, AMD and Nvidia have not revealed the same amount of info as of this date.

Polaris has been shown with quantifiable info that has been proven factual.
Nvidia have shown Maxwell GPUs on a PX2 box they claimed had Pascal GPUs which was proven false.

Pretty sure there is a difference there by anyone's definition.

 

[bru]

Originally Posted by bru

Exactly, there is really no difference between what AMD and Nvidia have shown.

The level of delusion is severe. Journalists saying AMD have shown working Polaris on one side, same guys saying Nvidia showed Maxwell and pretended it was Pascal..... but AMD and Nvidia showed the same thing... wow.

Er...... that is not my post.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Hmm,I can still remember during the days before the HD5000 series launch Rollo and co going on how ATI/AMD would never get stuff released before Fermi and Nvidia would have stuff out "soon" and he was doing that until the launch of the GTX480 nearly six months after the HD5870. Yeah,we saw how that turned out.At least he was correct it would be faster.

In fact since 2008,ATI/AMD have always got onto a new node before Nvidia and we always have these discussions that AMD could never possibly release new node GPUs before Nvidia.

I would be more surprised if Nvidia got parts out before AMD did. It's been probably a very long time since that has happened on a new node. Close to a decade.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Er...... that is not my post.

That's why posting here in the GPU section is a joke. people just re-edit your post and say it's gospel. psst

 

[drunkenmaster]

That's why posting here in the GPU section is a joke. people just re-edit your post and say it's gospel. psst

Well done, if you look at the original post there is just an errant extra half quote at the start of his post and I deleted the wrong quote bracket, do get over yourself.

Find other instances of re-edited quotes, go on.

Quote that same post by D.P and this is the bit you get

I simply deleted the wrong extra quote.

 

[drunkenmaster]

You are compeltely off topic: the entire point is neither AMD nor Nvidia have shown final chips to the blic not udner NDA.

AMD showed a a sealed box because they didn't wan to reveal anything. nvidia had a Maxwell prototype in a glass box for he public because they didn;t want to reveal anything. NVidia showed working pascal to people under NDA who can't talk about it, AMD made some marketing material to journalists to try to generate hype for the fanboys.

Both companies have revealed the same amount of information.

No, no one has claimed that. Nvidia is supposed to be shipping Pascal/PX2 to partners in a couple of months, they have not done so already and they have not shown journalists.

Partners get to see stuff way before it gets shown to the press. You're making stuff up now and not even getting that right.

If AMD showed a public demo and the cores in private it's weeks/months after they showed them to industry partners. Nvidia has done neither.

AMD showed a real product to the press and NOT publicly precisely because it wasn't information for 'fan boys'. It's part of the release of every card, you let journalists know what stage you're at by showing them each stage. Nvidia publicly lied about showing Pascal precisely because they did want to hype up fan boys and shareholders because they wanted them to think it was closer to being released than it really was. They haven't shown the same amount of information at all.

 

[bru]

That's why posting here in the GPU section is a joke. people just re-edit your post and say it's gospel. psst

No it was a simple mistake by DM, in fact I think the blame should go to DP for messing up his original post, seeing as DM only quoted what DP posted up. So there you go DP it's all your fault.

 

[drunkenmaster]

No it was a simple mistake by DM, in fact I think the blame should go to DP for messing up his original post, seeing as DM only quoted what DP posted up. So there you go DP it's all your fault.

see he gets it.

 

[Mauller]

Just take this. AMD don't want to show any physical hardware because the design is still in flux and the hardware they used in the demonstration is only an early engineering prototype that won't look pretty. (which they stated it as being an early engineering sample)

It is also a matter that it is still hardware that is in development so they do not want to reveal anything to their Rivals until the hardware is ready for the public. That is a bit different to showing a non running mockup of what the hardware could look like. but the running hardware may not look so pretty as it is using a development board.

Hence why people are under NDA and why they did not show the physical hardware while it was running.

 

[bru]

DM is certainly right on one thing, the working partners will get to see the hardware in action, (whether in prototype form or not) long before the press get to see it, all under strictest NDA of course.

Just because we haven't heard of any hardware being shown to anyone, doesn't mean that it hasn't been of course, otherwise what would be the point of an NDA.

 

[Orangey]

Just take this. AMD don't want to show any physical hardware because the design is still in flux and the hardware they used in the demonstration is only an early engineering prototype that won't look pretty. (which they stated it as being an early engineering sample)

It is also a matter that it is still hardware that is in development so they do not want to reveal anything to their Rivals until the hardware is ready for the public. That is a bit different to showing a non running mockup of what the hardware could look like. but the running hardware may not look so pretty as it is using a development board.

Hence why people are under NDA and why they did not show the physical hardware while it was running.

Exactly, you have to protect the product for the real unveil & launch so people don't get the wrong idea.

But at the same time you want to sing a bit.

 

[D.P.]

Nvidia have revealed nothing working to no one, unless you have something more substantial than your sudden say so. No.

The facts are AMD had a working Polaris on public display at CES. the only argument you have against that is the whole setup was a fake.
Nvidia had a PCB in hand claiming it as Pascal. Tech journalist claim it's actually maxwell, Personally I don't know that it is or isn't, all I do know is it was not running.

The people who have seen Pascal running are under NDA so there will be no reports. Wait until April announcements.


And no, AMD did not have Polaris chips running on public display at CES. I was at CES and there were absolutely no Polaris chips visible anywhere. AMD did demonstrate to members of the press by invitation a black box running a low powered Polaris GPU.

That is great for AMD and shows AMD is on track but AMD has revealed no more informaion about olris than Nvidia has about Pascal.

 

[D.P.]

DM is certainly right on one thing, the working partners will get to see the hardware in action, (whether in prototype form or not) long before the press get to see it, all under strictest NDA of course.

Just because we haven't heard of any hardware being shown to anyone, doesn't mean that it hasn't been of course, otherwise what would be the point of an NDA.

Exactly, all we know is Nvidia don't want to show the press anything about Pascal for gaming yet. That is basically meaningless Nvidia have never shown GPUs to the press until launch. nvidia haven't launches Pascal for gaming, so there is no press release and no public access.


It was interesting to see AMD have a blackbox running a Polaris chip, but AMD are in a very special situation where they have to really appeal to investors. AMD are also releasing huge amounts of hype surrounding ZEN even although that is some way off. AMD have to, they simply don't have the sales currently to sit back and do nothing. They are on the verge of bankruptcy and need to be showing the world what they will do next

What do you think would happen if Nvidia released a load of benchmarks and final production Pascal GPUs but said they wont be released until Q2-Q3, it would only damage their sales. When Nvidia is ready to release Pascal they will make an announcement.


If we hear that Pascal has had issues and has gone back for a re-spin well then we can all start wondering how delayed it will be, but so far the only news is everything is on track as scheduled.

 

[drunkenmaster]

The people who have seen Pascal running are under NDA so there will be no reports. Wait until April announcements.


And no, AMD did not have Polaris chips running on public display at CES. I was at CES and there were absolutely no Polaris chips visible anywhere. AMD did demonstrate to members of the press by invitation a black box running a low powered Polaris GPU.

That is great for AMD and shows AMD is on track but AMD has revealed no more informaion about olris than Nvidia has about Pascal.

A press invitational is considered public when the press can tell everyone about what they saw. There was the demo the journos could all talk about, and the private area, nda'd show where they showed them the core and other stuff.

AMD has shown this demo, shown power numbers, shown journos the core all of whom had seen it working. Stop saying they haven't revealed more information, they absolutely have.

As for Pascal, again, Nvidia THEMSELVES said they are sending out Pascal samples in couple of months, AMD showing demos to journalists implies AMD would have sent samples to partners 2-3 months ago.

 

[D.P.]

Just take this. AMD don't want to show any physical hardware because the design is still in flux and the hardware they used in the demonstration is only an early engineering prototype that won't look pretty. (which they stated it as being an early engineering sample)

It is also a matter that it is still hardware that is in development so they do not want to reveal anything to their Rivals until the hardware is ready for the public. That is a bit different to showing a non running mockup of what the hardware could look like. but the running hardware may not look so pretty as it is using a development board.

Hence why people are under NDA and why they did not show the physical hardware while it was running.

And the same apple is to Nvidia, that is all i'm saying. It is simply not a surprise int he slightest that Nvidia didn't show the public final pascal chips, doesn't mean squat.

 

[D.P.]

Hmm,I can still remember during the days before the HD5000 series launch Rollo and co going on how ATI/AMD would never get stuff released before Fermi and Nvidia would have stuff out "soon" and he was doing that until the launch of the GTX480 nearly six months after the HD5870. Yeah,we saw how that turned out.At least he was correct it would be faster.

In fact since 2008,ATI/AMD have always got onto a new node before Nvidia and we always have these discussions that AMD could never possibly release new node GPUs before Nvidia.

I would be more surprised if Nvidia got parts out before AMD did. It's been probably a very long time since that has happened on a new node. Close to a decade.

Before the GTX480 came out there were loads of solid rumours and titbts that Fermi is delayed. Currently we have the exact same amount of information as there was before every successful Nvidia GPU launch, i.e. nothing.

Its just impossible to say anything at this stage. I expect PAirl will be quite enlightening though.

 

[D.P.]

A press invitational is considered public when the press can tell everyone about what they saw. There was the demo the journos could all talk about, and the private area, nda'd show where they showed them the core and other stuff.

AMD has shown this demo, shown power numbers, shown journos the core all of whom had seen it working. Stop saying they haven't revealed more information, they absolutely have.

As for Pascal, again, Nvidia THEMSELVES said they are sending out Pascal samples in couple of months, AMD showing demos to journalists implies AMD would have sent samples to partners 2-3 months ago.

AMD didn;t show the public Polaris though, they showed a black box. Nvidia showed a prototype, quite possibly for the same reason. nvidia shared power usage and performance figures to the public.

 

[ICDP]

The people who have seen Pascal running are under NDA so there will be no reports. Wait until April announcements.

Again nobody is disputing this and it is not remotely relevant to your claim that AMD and Nvidia have revealed the same level of information on Polaris and Pascal as of this date.

And no, AMD did not have Polaris chips running on public display at CES. I was at CES and there were absolutely no Polaris chips visible anywhere. AMD did demonstrate to members of the press by invitation a black box running a low powered Polaris GPU.

Which is still more than Nvidia did because they have not demonstrated any working samples to the press.

That is great for AMD and shows AMD is on track but AMD has revealed no more informaion about olris than Nvidia has about Pascal.

Again with this logical fallacy.

Have AMD demonstrated a working Polaris to the press? YES
Have Nvidia demonstrated a working Pascal to the press? NO

One is a positive and the other is a negative state. So AMD have by that very definition revealed more information about Polaris as of this date than Nvidia have about Pascal. The information available on both may be scant but it is clear to anyone with common sense AMD have revealed more info than Nvidia at this stage.

Again this is not claiming Nvidia are late with Pascal or that Pascal has not been demonstrated to a select few, just pointing out the logical fallacy in your statement.