Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[robfosters]

They were asking some scots on the news today what they thought about independence. To be honest, there seemed very little appetite for it.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Scotland is likely to go now.

How they will actually support themselves is yet to be explained though.

It also makes no sense. I am enormously bothered about being taken out of the EU so I sympathise with Scotland but Scotland and England are so strongly linked in terms of trade and infrastructure that if you had to pick which union to be in the case for EU over UK is nonsensical.

Plus let's not forget a sizeable minority of Scots voted leave - 40%!

 

[zangetsu19]

Some may say it's not all about immigration, and it probably isn't, but renegotiation would be utterly pointless without limits on freedom of movement. If limits on freedom of movement were included in a renegotiation, a remain vote would pass with ease.

I wish the EU weren't so stubborn and considered the idea.

TBH yeh kinda get the point but if the government spent the money the immigrates put into the economy oh i dont know infrastructure then there wouldn't of been so much to gain from this part of the debate. but oh well at least their moats are clean.

 

[robfosters]

Out of interest, what's the EU basis for their stance on refusing to change the free movement rules?

You can't have freedom of goods and services without freedom of movement, or something to that effect.

 

[Pudney]

Out of interest, what's the EU basis for their stance on refusing to change the free movement rules?

It's one of the founding principles of the EU.

 

[Telecaster]

and where would england get the money to build a wall..........

Well England would definitely have to build it, because London wouldn't have the first ****ing clue how.

 

[robfosters]

Well England would definitely have to build it, because London wouldn't have the first ****ing clue how.

Ironically it would be built by Poles.

 

[Nasher]

Look at Portugal, Spain etc for an idea. Handouts.

The EU won't want to be dishing out more handouts though, not now their 2nd biggest contributor just left

 

[Alex_6n2]

That's interesting, they were also saying today that the BoE is now expected to drop interest rates.

Indeed. It's likely the that BoE monetary committee will vote to cut interest rate, in order to combat inflationary pressure and a declining GDP.

However, a reduction in the UK's credit rating and perceived risk by financial institutions will add more to mortgage rates than will be taken away by the BoE

The net effect will be higher %APR on your mortgage.

 

[Radiance]

Out of interest, what's the EU basis for their stance on refusing to change the free movement rules?

It's one of the core tenants of the EU.
To change it for us would likely mean changing it for everyone and would dilute the narrative of the EU and the goals it aspires to.
It's not something they will shift their views on.

 

[Jokester]

Won't happen anyway. Once the English government puts in the formal request to leave it's over and done with. If after several years they realise that they want back in, the EU will simply make an example out of them to prove other countries can't just leave and then re-join.

The referendum vote showed overwhelming support for the EU in Scotland. I believe the EU would be quite happy to accept Scotland because of that, but just on standard terms (we're not worth economically going to any special lengths) and would no doubt have to go through the formal process of joining and meeting the entry requirements which could take years to achieve.

You can sell it to Scots to stay in the EU as an independent nation, but the UK leaving the EU and then Scotland leaving the UK and re-applying to the EU I don't believe is going to be a great independence vote winner.

 

[Caged]

What people want outside of those nations isn't relevant.

What they want is what matters.

I personally want the best for them all, I hope whatever they do turns out to be the best for them.

The United Kingdom has been an illusion ever since it wasn't united anyway, that happened ages ago.

What's more important is people taking care of their own families the best way they can. If people are content and know they've done what's right, we can actually get by.

Think about what is really important in being alive.

I thought it was a more straightforward question than that.

Would you be sad to see Scotland and NI leave the UK?

Because I would, but I wouldn't blame them for it.

 

[zangetsu19]

Indeed. It's likely the that BoE monetary committee will vote to cut interest rates.

However, a reduction in the UK's credit rating and perceived risk will add more to mortgage rates than will be taken away by the BoE

The net effect will be higher %APR on your mortgage.

Lets see what next week will bring first we have only had one day of trading and if next week is stable as it will take us two years to leave then they wont do anything, they only say this to calm the market today.

 

[RoboCod]

Now am 43 going on 44 I know more than most at my age.

Good grief, I'm surprised you haven't learnt modesty and grace in your grand old age oh wise one!

 

[Telecaster]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

Surely they've seen how bad EU membership has been for other relatively poor minnow nations, why would they be chomping at the bit to sign up for being the next Greece?

 

[Housey]

It also makes no sense. I am enormously bothered about being taken out of the EU so I sympathise with Scotland but Scotland and England are so strongly linked in terms of trade and infrastructure that if you had to pick which union to be in the case for EU over UK is nonsensical.

Plus let's not forget a sizeable minority of Scots voted leave - 40%!

All we are seeing now in all political circles is positioning. Some big fish to fry right now, everyone wants their say. Could be significant opportunity if well handled, but different thinking is required, innovative thinking. Wont be easy, from turmoil comes revolution, from revolution comes radical change. Time will tell I guess.

 

[Cern]

With the 350m...

Yea we get a lot of it back, but it comes back with conditions. The EU basically tell us what to spend our own money on. Which isn't always where it's needed at the time.

Yeah, that terrible EU telling us to spend the money on urban regeneration schemes, rural development schemes, support for deprived areas and so on.

Much better to spend the money on bailing out the bankers, extra bonuses for civil servants and some nice jollies for local authority officials eh?

 

[opethdisciple]

Although I voted remain, possibly leaving is the right decision.

However if any of this BBC article is true it sounds like the EU is going to make the process of withdrawal a painful one for the UK in order to put off any other EU member states from leaving.

 

[Alex_6n2]

Lets see what next week will bring first we have only had one day of trading and if next week is stable as it will take us two years to leave then they wont do anything, they only say this to calm the market today.

The issue is, everything in the financial market is assigned to perceived value and the accompanying perceived risk.

The collective mindset is currently one of high risk remaining for some time. Likely until we agree some fundamental terms with the EU (and potentially beyond)

Until that time, mortgages rates will rise.

 

[adam cool dude]

Time will tell, but right now we have opposed camps, naysayers and yaysayers but as I have said many times life is shades of grey. Things will be uncertain, our government might go through 3 or 4 versions until it settles down and economy will be unstable and times could be hard for some but the debate has already begun about what we can learn, do better and change to make it right. As a country we have forced a rethink of our country. That could and probably will see it change radically but I think it needed to.

Not gong to be easy, but proper change never is and I suspect 20 years down the line Europe 2.0 will be built by those 25 year olds who are so ******* off right now. By then i'll be retied on my boat in the Maldives so **** you lot

Well said I was a leaver as well in fact my area was the highest in the nation. Even though my mother is not British born and my future wife either. Let alone I manage a group of 100 people who are mainly EU migrants but something has to be done regarding the EU. Immigration was at the bottom of my list. The disparity of this country is quite sad with everyone outside London having the opposite view. Yes it is going to be tough and belts will need to be tightened but we will get there in the end and hopefully have a more unified country to show for it.