Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[Glaucus]

A couple of points. The bitter old people built the world you live in. UK plc is a ponzi scheme. You can't just add people to the bottom of the population pyramid. They get old and then you have to add more people below them and so on. Where do we draw the line 90 million 120 million? Eventually you run out of resources.

We need amateur ways to do things with a stable sustainable population. If that means we have to change the old ways of doing things so be it. That's what the younger people should be doing, not just moaning about old people and electing for the easy option of the ponzi scheme, hoping it doesn't go pop in their lifetime.

the younger population generally do want change and are blocked by the older generation.
and you cant change that over night, you need a gradual change in economic modelling over many decades.
an exit is not going to do anything to change the economic policy of government away for expanding population, towards a stabilising ageing population. it will just be ignored like normal.

 

[Tute]

I hate the fact it even come to this.

Absolutely this.

I find it unfathomable that Remain voters are turning on Leave voters over this. The EU could have avoided all this in the first place by simply giving the UK the reform it's asked for. It's not like this hasn't been coming for months, or even years, in countries all over the EU.

Instead this has now happened, and guess what? The EU still sticks it's fingers in it's ears and pretends nothing is happening. How many countries will it take to achieve reform? Two? Three? All of them?

 

[zangetsu19]

EU might not give us a good trade agreement but our biggest trading partner (Ireland) will not stop trading with us its not in their interest they arent like Germany or France who can absorb the loss. (Remain)

 

[Jokester]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

I don't believe, faced with the prospect of being out of the EU and then trying to rejoin after years of being a prospective member or what ever it's called that it would be palatable to Scots.

 

[RoboCod]

With the 350m...

Yea we get a lot of it back, but it comes back with conditions. The EU basically tell us what to spend our own money on. Which isn't always where it's needed at the time.

Now we'll have the EU setting rules that will affect us but there will be no medium by which we can influence those rules because we've essentially stood up and walked away from that table. For example, Norway.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

That's interesting, they were also saying today that the BoE is now expected to drop interest rates.

House prices may drop.

Terrible.... how on earth will youngsters cope with having to pay less for property.

 

[Caged]

That is their own choice. That is the entire point. Their choice.

We had a choice, we made it. Why shouldn't they have one?

This is real democracy. Everyone loves it until they realise what it actually means.

I don't think that was the sentiment behind Fox's post. Is the potential break-up of the UK worth leaving the EU for? I guess on a sentimental and emotional level, would people be happy to see that? Is it for the greater good?

 

[n111ck]

That is their own choice. That is the entire point. Their choice.

We had a choice, we made it. Why shouldn't they have one?

This is real democracy. Everyone loves it until they realise what it actually means.

Exactly, as long as any referendums are post brexit and there is genuine public support then why not. Probably not much EU left by then though.

 

[zangetsu19]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

Northern Ireland aint going no where, (i was worried about them) turns out Sinn Fein or whatever every month asks for a referendum and last one they had was in 75 and the vote was 98% remain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_sovereignty_referendum,_1973
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/24/arlene-foster-northern-ireland-martin-mcguinness-border-poll-wont-happen

Scotland though 50-50 though it will be a couple of years and only time will tell.

Theres London wanting to leave the UK Though lol, if that happens Northerners want one to

 

[Caged]

Absolutely this.

I find it unfathomable that Remain voters are turning on Leave voters over this. The EU could have avoided all this in the first place by simply giving the UK the reform it's asked for.

That's a very selective way to decide on the root cause of all this.

 

[Locky]

The Sturgeon witch would still bang the independence drum with a remain vote.

 

[toshj]

Absolutely this.

I find it unfathomable that Remain voters are turning on Leave voters over this. The EU could have avoided all this in the first place by simply giving the UK the reform it's asked for. It's not like this hasn't been coming for months, or even years, in countries all over the EU.

Instead this has now happened, and guess what? The EU still sticks it's fingers in it's ears and pretends nothing is happening. How many countries will it take to achieve reform? Two? Three? All of them?

I'm very much a remain supporter and think this outcome is tragic, but I agree with your points. If I were to lay the blame of this sorry episode at anyone's feet, I'd probably select dual responsibility lies with Cameron and the EU - rather than any Leave voters, they simply exercised their right to make a decision.

Cameron's sheer arrogance to think he could withstand this despite being so unpopular is outrageous, whereas the EU were pathetically inflexible and equally as arrogant when discussing the negotiated deal with us recently.

 

[Nasher]

Scotland is likely to go now.

How they will actually support themselves is yet to be explained though.

 

[robfosters]

Some may say it's not all about immigration, and it probably isn't, but renegotiation would be utterly pointless without limits on freedom of movement. If limits on freedom of movement were included in a renegotiation, a remain vote would pass with ease.

I wish the EU weren't so stubborn and considered the idea.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

I don't think that was the sentiment behind Fox's post. Is the potential break-up of the UK worth leaving the EU for? I guess on a sentimental and emotional level, would people be happy to see that? Is it for the greater good?

What people want outside of those nations isn't relevant.

What they want is what matters.

I personally want the best for them all, I hope whatever they do turns out to be the best for them.

The United Kingdom has been an illusion ever since it wasn't united anyway, that happened ages ago.

What's more important is people taking care of their own families the best way they can. If people are content and know they've done what's right, we can actually get by.

Think about what is really important in being alive.

 

[Feronix]

I don't believe, faced with the prospect of being out of the EU and then trying to rejoin after years of being a prospective member or what ever it's called that it would be palatable to Scots.

Won't happen anyway. Once the English government puts in the formal request to leave it's over and done with. If after several years they realise that they want back in, the EU will simply make an example out of them to prove other countries can't just leave and then re-join.

 

[Housey]

I hope you are proved right

Time will tell, but right now we have opposed camps, naysayers and yaysayers but as I have said many times life is shades of grey. Things will be uncertain, our government might go through 3 or 4 versions until it settles down and economy will be unstable and times could be hard for some but the debate has already begun about what we can learn, do better and change to make it right. As a country we have forced a rethink of our country. That could and probably will see it change radically but I think it needed to.

Not gong to be easy, but proper change never is and I suspect 20 years down the line Europe 2.0 will be built by those 25 year olds who are so ******* off right now. By then i'll be retied on my boat in the Maldives so **** you lot

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Scotland is likely to go now.

How they will actually support themselves is yet to be explained though.

Look at Portugal, Spain etc for an idea. Handouts.

 

[Rosbif]

Scotland is likely to go now.

How they will actually support themselves is yet to be explained though.

Oh haven't you heard? England have apparently been bleeding Scotland dry for years. They'd all be driving around in solid gold Bentleys if it wasn't for the 'Westminster cabal'.

 

[Tute]

I wish the EU weren't so stubborn and considered the idea.

Out of interest, what's the EU basis for their stance on refusing to change the free movement rules?