Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[Arthur Hucksake]

Now the dust has settled a bit more...

I'm surprised there are still some people so keen to put the win down purely to immigration. In certain areas, this has undoubtedly played a part, but I don't think it's at the forefront of everyone's thinking. In fact I don't think we'll bring in severe immigration controls at all, but we should definitely exercise our right to refuse people as we see fit, such as convicted murderers that we previously have had to let in without a choice.

The original idea behind the EU is what the EFTA/EEA provide now, that we all work together for trade, and free movement, etc. I don't think people ever wanted an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels ordering us about - in fact I bet even most Remain voters don't want this.

Market jitters are to be expected, and it may last a while, though so far it hasn't been particularly bad. In Germany for example, they are already keen to do business with us, we're one of their largest selling markets for cars. This won't change.

I think we're all for working with other European countries on pretty much any issue you can imagine, but unelected bureaucrats shouldn't be able to tell us what laws we can and can't have, for example. That isn't right, or fair.

It's good we never joined the Euro, it sounds like many Remain voters would have voted to Leave if staying meant we had to adopt the Euro. To me, this shows people aren't really that keen on the EU. We'd always have one foot in, and one foot out. Many European countries are very different, merging identities has never made much sense to me. One economic plan that all countries follow isn't a clever idea, it's foolish, look at how Greece is now unable to devalue it's currency. We never learnt from the ERM either.

Immigration itself is no bad thing, but uncontrolled immigration within the EU is just illogical. There could be many people outside the EU who more than deserve to come here, but could struggle, where as any number of unskilled (or worse) workers within the EU are free to come here at any time presently.

Britain is known as the mother of all parliaments, and we've now found ourselves with limited control of our laws, which is simply unacceptable.

That's pretty much how I feel about it.

I think most who voted out probably do also.

I hate the fact it even come to this.

 

[toshj]

What a stupid comment to make!

I was thick when I was 20, I knew nothing but drugs and having a good time.
Now am 43 going on 44 I know more than most at my age.

Age is relevant as you experience life and deal with the good and the bad life brings to the table.

Hang on a sec - just a few days ago on another EU referendum thread you were harping on about how age isn't relevant whatseover, and that people shouldn't be using their age and experience to prove a point in this referendum:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29656660&postcount=5658

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29656689&postcount=5661

That's quite a remarkable level of hypocrisy now that it actually turned out you were incorrect with your initial assertions, but now trying to add credibility to your argument by insisting that age IS in fact relevant.

Just stunning logic there mate

 

[Housey]

Scaremongering

Yup and ill informed.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Less bothered about his Turkish ancestry and more worried about the fact that the guy is a complete idiot.

Yes, but he can't half rugby tackle a german in the nuts during a game of football.

 

[Nasher]

With the 350m...

Yea we get a lot of it back, but it comes back with conditions. The EU basically tell us what to spend our own money on. Which isn't always where it's needed at the time.

 

[Trustdesa]

Scaremongering

Man are we on the Playstation forum?

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/...re-of-sunderland-plant-after-brexit-1-7980813

Obviously it is just like the weather, now it rains later on it is cloudly... There is not certainty in either ways but considerations are being made... (plus do you expect French to leave investement here after the vote? Really?)

Of course I do hope for the best, I am not from here and I do not think the EU works as it is now and I agree somehow with the leave too...

 

[Caged]

Scaremongering

lol. You're sat in a kitchen while your house burns down and accusing the people shouting 'fire' of trying to trick you.

 

[Glaucus]

With the 350m...

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oh dear, there never was 350m

 

[Housey]

lol. You're sat in a kitchen while your house burns down and accusing the people shouting 'fire' of trying to trick you.

No, he's sat in the kitchen while someone tries to light a fire in the rain with a used match and shouts "I'm going to burn you good".

 

[Caged]

Things can always change, we still have 3 months left until a new PM is chosen. For all we know with the current volatility, the pound could completely collapse in the time until then, leaving everyone desperate for a quick solution. I'm sure parliament would move to block the referendum result in that case.

This is UK politics in the post-evidence era. It will always double-down on stupid.

 

[Alex_6n2]

A couple of points. The bitter old people built the world you live in. UK plc is a ponzi scheme. You can't just add people to the bottom of the population pyramid. They get old and then you have to add more people below them and so on. Where do we draw the line 90 million 120 million? Eventually you run out of resources.

We need amateur ways to do things with a stable sustainable population. If that means we have to change the old ways of doing things so be it. That's what the younger people should be doing, not just moaning about old people and electing for the easy option of the ponzi scheme, hoping it doesn't go pop in their lifetime.

I think you mistake my post as one that bemoans old people.

On the contrary, I was simply pointing out the a developed economy with a retired populace that is bigger and more costly than its working populace is simply unsustainable. This is economics, not emotional rhetoric.

In other news, ratings agencies have begun to degrade the UK outlook as predicted. Hello expensive mortgages.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

 

[Feronix]

The old are not as abundant on Facebook and will take up pitch forks instead.

Isn't it that because more middle-aged and older people use facebook now, the youths are ranting on twitter and instagram?

Personally, I am not happy with the vote even if purely for selfish reasons. I do feel a lot of people were unsure what they were even voting for, and having reasonably neutral media over here I feel there are going to be many negative consequences for England in the short term (next 5 years), and honestly, many regrets by the working class that voted 'out'.

The selfish reason being that I am one of those pesky immigrants (but it's okay, I cannot tan) that would love to live in the UK. I was born and raised in the Netherlands for the past 21 years but I've made a lot of friends over there and it's where my girlfriend lives. Personally, I really want to go over there, pick up a job and just live with her, but now this is becoming increasingly more difficult.

The thing is that illegal immigration will not be stopped by this. At all. Yes, the EU has open borders, but because the UK is an island it is basically only approachable by plane or boat, both of which do their own security, and often ID checks.
Europeans wanting to work or study in the UK, or Brits wanting to do that in the EU on the other hand... that'll become a problem. I fear the UK is going to become very isolated.

 

[Jokester]

In other news, ratings agencies have begun to degrade the UK outlook as predicted. Hello expensive mortgages.

That's interesting, they were also saying today that the BoE is now expected to drop interest rates.

 

[Caged]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

Something something sovereignty something bureaucrat.

 

[Caged]

No, he's sat in the kitchen while someone tries to light a fire in the rain with a used match and shouts "I'm going to burn you good".

I hope you are proved right

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

That is their own choice. That is the entire point. Their choice.

We had a choice, we made it. Why shouldn't they have one?

This is real democracy. Everyone loves it until they realise what it actually means.

 

[Amp34]

I am 63 and voted to leave. I voted for the EEC in 1975. I vote in every election for MP, MEP, council and police commissioner's. I made my choice based on my whole life experience and my current views on what is best for the whole of this country.

Immigration is a small factor for me. I do not mind people from all other countries being able to live, work and be educated here.

I do have a concern for the total size of the population however and its rate of growth. The UK has twice the population density of France, Spain etc.and is greater than that of Germany. Currently 65 million rising at 0.5 million per year.

I apologise if you feel that I have acted unfairly in this. You will have as many or more choices in life as I have had. I worked in non EEC Spain in 1979. I have travelled widely (with passport and appropriate visa as necessary).

I believe all countries should be able to make their own laws, control their borders and live peaceably with their neighbours.

Anyway I have no regrets and I made the correct choice.

While I agree with the overall population issue of the UK, funnily enough I don't think this vote will do anything to change the increases.

Aside from the fact the current system of measure essentially requires population growth for "positive" economics I have a vey strong suspicion that immigration numbers won't go down. Either because we still import hundreds of thousands a year (based on xyz system) or because we have to provide european free movement for us to trade tariff free.

Basically I'm going with the old "shot yourself in the foot" phrase.

What I still don't get is that people really voted on "sovereignty". The fact we are and were an independent nation and had complete control over what we enacted as law. Yes the EU came up with laws, but it was the responsibility of the British government to decide whether to pass them into law. Another case of "shooting yourself in the foot" for almost certainly no change to our "sovereignty".

So basically two of the major issues of this referendum will not have changed much at all either way we voted.

 

[Trustdesa]

Are none of you leavers sad that this could ultimately be the end of the UK if we lose Scotland and Northern Ireland over it? Or do you not care?

Wait for someone to come and say "They will never do it..." just matter of seconds

 

[steve45]

Now the dust has settled a bit more...

I'm surprised there are still some people so keen to put the win down purely to immigration. In certain areas, this has undoubtedly played a part, but I don't think it's at the forefront of everyone's thinking. In fact I don't think we'll bring in severe immigration controls at all, but we should definitely exercise our right to refuse people as we see fit, such as convicted murderers that we previously have had to let in without a choice.

The original idea behind the EU is what the EFTA/EEA provide now, that we all work together for trade, and free movement, etc. I don't think people ever wanted an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels ordering us about - in fact I bet even most Remain voters don't want this.

Market jitters are to be expected, and it may last a while, though so far it hasn't been particularly bad. In Germany for example, they are already keen to do business with us, we're one of their largest selling markets for cars. This won't change.

I think we're all for working with other European countries on pretty much any issue you can imagine, but unelected bureaucrats shouldn't be able to tell us what laws we can and can't have, for example. That isn't right, or fair.

It's good we never joined the Euro, it sounds like many Remain voters would have voted to Leave if staying meant we had to adopt the Euro. To me, this shows people aren't really that keen on the EU. We'd always have one foot in, and one foot out. Many European countries are very different, merging identities has never made much sense to me. One economic plan that all countries follow isn't a clever idea, it's foolish, look at how Greece is now unable to devalue it's currency. We never learnt from the ERM either.

Immigration itself is no bad thing, but uncontrolled immigration within the EU is just illogical. There could be many people outside the EU who more than deserve to come here, but could struggle, where as any number of unskilled (or worse) workers within the EU are free to come here at any time presently.

Britain is known as the mother of all parliaments, and we've now found ourselves with limited control of our laws, which is simply unacceptable.

Nah we cant have that! theres no hate, no vitriol, no far right/left opinionism, no knee jerk reactions... just someone thats taken a bit of time to look at it subjectively and come up with rational thought process! whatever next!