Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)
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I have seen a petition floating about to try and force a second vote. Can someone explain if this can actually happen? If so, what in the **** is the point in voting?
My small brain is struggling to understand
referendum isn't legally binding so yes it could happen
will a second referendum happen, cant see it. Regardless of a petition, petitions just get ignored all the time.
the only chance I see of a second referendum is if Eu agree to massive change, which I cant see happening.
Well, it was never going to happen was it as it's immune to reform. I was just thinking out loud about what an ideal scenario would be.
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Some positive talk in here from European leaders, none from EU leaders obviously.
http://news.sky.com/story/1717150/germany-warns-of-brexit-domino-effect
http://news.sky.com/story/1717150/germany-warns-of-brexit-domino-effect
It's not free money though is it? It's the fraction of the money we get back from UK taxpayers' contribution to Brussels. I support the principle of investment in the poorer areas of the UK and envisage that continuing when the Brexit process has finished. Incidentally, I think there are lot more "poorer regions" of the UK than the EU does.
If they'd just listened to our concerns about free movement, CAP, Jean-Claude Juncker a little bit then the result would have been quite different. The EU only has themselves to blame for this result.
It's a game of high stakes poker.
Maybe the EU will blink and give Cameron much more than he originally got, which will give him an excuse to repeat the vote.
If the UK got full immigration controls, that would easily swing the vote to remain.
fair enough
just feeling nervous that we may have gone down a very very dangerous route forward
I was flip-flopping the evening before the vote until I read Juncker's twitter feed. The guy really is a liability.
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Here are the long term benefits:
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commo...01/EUMembershipEconomicBenefits#division-4409
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"I care about facing up to the facts. It is only right to examine what voting to leave might do and, frankly, we should be concerned. In the Treasury, we have done a lot of work to understand what leaving the EU might mean for this country. One study of the short-term impact of leaving suggests that if we vote to leave, we could be pushing ourselves headlong into a recession within a couple of years. In fact, compared with remaining, we might well see a rise in unemployment of between 520,000 and 820,000; a fall of between 12% and 15% in the value of sterling; a decrease in GDP of between 3.6% and 6.0%; and increased borrowing of anything up to £39 billion, which is the equivalent of a third of the NHS budget each year. Some people say, “So what?” Others say, “This is a price worth paying.” For the vast majority of people in this country, however, these things—they are just what will happen in the immediate aftermath—really matter.
We have debated employment rights quite a bit and heard about the benefits of the EU in creating and guaranteeing them, but no one among the leavers has been quite clear about which of these rights would be guaranteed if we leave. So many questions have been left unanswered about what Britain might be like if we left. Of course, there is also the possibility we might still just have to follow any regulations handed down by Brussels, but, crucially, with no choice or influence over what they are. Norway is a clear example: it is required to comply with EU legislation, such as the working time directive or the agency workers directive, in exchange for access to the EU market, but, crucially, with no vote on the decision making."
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Not really, just the local Mayor venting her frustration.
http://www.dw.com/en/french-foreign-minister-slams-talk-of-moving-calais-jungle-to-uk/a-19356081
This would never happen. These people are the same sort of people who ran FIFA into the ground. Stubborn, corrupt and power mad.
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I'd decided to give this thread a wide berth for 24 hours, now I remember why I came to that decision.
Is that in the same way a lot of the Leave voters on here knew they would never win the vote? (Because the 'establishment' wouldn't let it happen)
You don't know that at all, you may think it, but that is far far from reality
I'm sorry and I don't want to appear rude, but that is just tin foil hat thinking.
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If you had watched that BBC4 prog about the EU(several weeks ago at the start of this campaign) when it talked to the people who were involved in the original negotiations you will have seen that the politicians admitting it was not just a trading block and would develop.
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BRING OUR BORDER BACK TO THE UK... TAKE OUR BORDERS BACK THEY BELONG TO US.
It needs 100,000 signatures to be considered in parliament, doesn't mean they will go ahead with it though. It currently has nearly a million, more than any other petition they've run IIRC.
If so, what in the **** is the point in voting?
My small brain is struggling to understand
Maybe some people have changed their opinion after the fallout, either for or against. Could also be used to have a stronger bargaining position with the EU.
Worryingly I think that's the best case scenario.
But at least Britain will be back British (whatever that actually means
)I see. So we're trying to bluff the EU by saying, 'right, we're off lads, unless you up your game and give us X - I'll call another vote'
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That's the everybody must do as I want theory. Funny these other countries have their own forms of what you said that will disagree with what you say.
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