Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

How did you vote in the EU Referendum?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 861 53.0%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 763 47.0%

  • Total voters
    1,624
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Sigh. They never said that. They had a bus saying we give 350m to EU (190 after rebate as discussed many a time) and said that money would be better with the NHS etc, but we would be able to decide. People have seen 350 and NHS and come up with their own promise.

but we don't give 350m to eu, which ever way you cut it it's a lie and you have obviously fallen for it and still believe it after it's been thoroughly thrown out, even by Farage.
 
My greatest concern is regarding the financial markets. These are so significantly vital to us, and the Germans and the French and the Dutch have been on a massive power grab over the past few years - attempting to limit our presence in them, make London less of an attractive place for financial employers and employees (the bankers' bonus cap), attempt to level of the playing field (financial transactions tax, etc.).

I raised this point yesterday - international banking licenses - and it seems the BBC have published a similar article today. Up until yesterday the international banks wanted to be based here for a variety of reasons:

- Our place in the EU allowed the international and domestic banks in London to trade throughout the EU
- Geographically we suited international business than other areas of the EU, our timezone connected the US with Europe better, it allowed London to operate Asian and US trading hours desks, and the world of finance works in English
- Tax-wise we were pretty competitive

The banking sector is a major contributor to the Exchequer - last year PWC indicated that the contribution in the financial year to March 2014 was roughly 5.5% of total tax receipts (£31.3bn).

The Leave vote has essentially forced major contributors to the country's tax receipts to look at being based or move part of their operations abroad simply because once we leave the EU, they won't be able to transact with EU customers - they won't have access to the international banking licenses they need to trade in the EU. This is massive. This is also a massive kick to the stomach. We're forcing one of the key industries in the UK - and one of our main negotiating assets in any future trade deals - to make the move into EU territories. We'll lose vast amount of monies in reduced tax contributions from the banks, whilst also lose one of our key hands in negotiating procedures.
 
Scotland holding back on a referendum vote. I'm glad they didn't go into a knee jerk reaction. They must wait out the negotiation.
 
Moody's outlook negative for the medium term. Just brilliant. Can London divorce itself from these beer swilling chavs already.

Moody's and their like and what they say are only opinions, they can say what they like and people can believe them or not, simple.
 
It exists, but it's not what it sounds like,

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85340

I question if we'd able to apply it, given our circumstances (the percentage increase in population we have, the fact we choose to let in more than half of net migration, the fact we could easily mitigate the problems caused by migration by investing properly, etc).

Then parts of that graphic are stupid/misrepresentative/misleading. It's retarded.

Much obliged - here, just to refer to later, is the actual text of the EEA agreement.

SAFEGUARD
MEASURES
Article 112
1.
If serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties of a sectorial or regional nature liable to persist are
arising, a Contracting Party may unilaterally take appropriate measures under the conditions and procedures laid
down in Article 113.
2.
Such safeguard measures shall be restricted with regard to their scope and duration to what is strictly necessary in
order to remedy the situation. Priority shall be given to such measures as will least disturb the functioning of this
Agreement.
3.
The safeguard measures shall apply with regard to all Contracting Parties.

Article 113
1.
A Contracting Party which is considering taking safeguard measures unde
r Article 112 shall, without delay, notify
the other Contracting Parties through the EEA Joint Committee and shall provide all relevant information.
2.
The Contracting Parties shall immediately enter into consultations in the EEA Joint Committee with a view to
finding a commonly acceptable solution.
3.
The Contracting Party concerned may not take safeguard measures until one month has elapsed after the date of
notification under paragraph 1, unless the consultation procedure under paragraph
2 has been concluded before the expiration of the stated time limit. When exceptional circumstances requiring immediate action exclude prior
examination, the Contracting Party concerned may apply forthwith the protective measures strictly necessary to remedy the situation.
For the Community, the safeguard measures shall be taken by the EC Commission.
4.
The Contracting Party concerned shall, without delay, notify the measures taken to the EEA Joint Committee and
shall provide all relevant information.
5.
The safeguard measures taken shall be the subject of consultations in the EEA Joint Committee every three months
from the date of their adoption with a view to their abolition before the date of expiry envisaged, or to the limitation
of their scope of application.
Each Contracting Party may at any time request the EEA Joint Committee to review such measures.[
 
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Sigh. They never said that. They had a bus saying we give 350m to EU (190 after rebate as discussed many a time) and said that money would be better with the NHS etc, but we would be able to decide. People have seen 350 and NHS and come up with their own promise.

Err....Wheres that picture of Boris standing in front of the sign saying 'Let's give the NHS the 350 million the EU takes each week'

Here you go

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2016-06-24/nathan-gill-i-dont-know-anything-about-350m-nhs-pledge/

So please tell me how you weren't duped
 
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I guess we will see how many professional services the UK provides to the EMEA region moves within the EU.

I know that a significant proportion of the leave voters viewed this as a statement about showing these "big businesses" and "privileged Londoners" that they wanted to spite them, but ultimately they will be okay.

Their taxes which paid for the welfare system and public services is what will suffer.

If I was an EU negotiator, I would make the UK bend over backwards just to grant them an EU financial passport.

Don't want to join the EEA with free movement of people? Tough, no passport and your economy can crumble.
 
Even with a bad trade deal that won't decrease to 0%.

Also that is a blip. 8% (or more likely some lower number) is nothing.

In the referendum campaign, the leave campaign were making nothing of the fact that 40% of UK exports are to the EU.

are you serious? 8% of exports is a large amount of trade from a single country. we are ranked 3rd in germany for exports, don't down play it, 89Billion euros and many different industries that rely on it is not a small thing.
 
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Not to mention the oil price not being what it was, plus they'll be net contributors to the EU instead of net recipients under the Barnett formula.

As I alluded to, it's not really up to me though. As a supporter of the campaign for the UK to Leave the European Union I couldn't really complain if Scotland wants independence from their Union. My only concern would be timing.

Personally I don't like the idea of being in an independent United Kingdom that isn't "united" anymore. :(

Surely Scotland knew Brexit was a possibility further down the line in the last referendum?
 
are you serious? 8% of the economy is a large amount of trade from a single country. we are ranked 3rd in germany for exports, don't down play it, 89Billion euros and many different industries that rely on it is not a small thing.

Again, you clearly don't understand things.

This isn't 8% of the economy. 8% of exports is a very different consideration.

Besides, like I said 8% doesn't disappear to zero. A trade deal will be made where the UK agrees to most, if not all EU regulations anyway regarding goods.
 
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No, it was a referendum which a democratically elected government does not have to go along with. For the umpteenth time we do not have a direct democracy. David Cameron could have come out with a speech and went "LOL NO" if had chosen to do so.

No, we live in a democracy, the vote was democratic, our leaders do what we vote for or are meant to, that is a democracy.
 
Anyone who though it would be otherwise it just very naive.

I absolutely agree, but they were appealing to the lowest common denominator and misleading them. It worked.

If it was a product they were selling would they have got that by advertising standards?
 
A trade deal will be made where the UK agrees to most, if not all EU regulations anyway regarding products.

EU regulations regarding products have nothing to do with any future trade deal, us leaving the EU, etc. Those regulations exist regardless and anyone trading into the EU has to abide by them in order to sell products here.
 
Personally I don't like the idea of being in an independent United Kingdom that isn't "united" anymore. :(

Surely Scotland knew Brexit was a possibility further down the line in the last referendum?

Agreed but the Union was doomed as soon as Blair went down the path of Scottish devolution :(
 
It is along the lines of an agreement that non-EU countries have. However EEA countries such as Norway can apply an emergency brake to stop immigration. It is the right of all EEA countries to do this and it is used frequently.

under very strict conditions “serious economic, social or environmental difficulties of a sectoral or regional nature”

Norway uses it when they have very small towns getting overswamped by too many migrants. You have to remember that Norway has a population of only 5m vs our 66m yet under their agreement 16% of their population are migrants from the EU even with them applying the brakes occasionally and their immigration rate is three times what the Uk is presently.

So we would have to accept way more than what Norway takes before we would qualify under any of the conditions allowed for applying a brake.
 
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