Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

How did you vote in the EU Referendum?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 861 53.0%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 763 47.0%

  • Total voters
    1,624
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To see some of peoples reasoning in here for choosing Leave is quite disappointing - I would laugh but right now its not the time to...

One thing Ive fully realised is that this vote was far more about electoral reform where the electorate want further enhancement to their voice and the ability to use that through government.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Just flicking through the news this morning and it looks like the EU are showing their hand a bit already. They have mentioned Switzerland and Norway type agreements. Obviously this comes down to what is negotiated but this is very positive!

you do know that Norway style agreement = paying into the EU and allowing free movement of labour in exchange for the free market access but with zero say at the table ?

That isn't positive, that is actually a step back, because before we actually had a say at the table now we have nothing and have to take what is agreed in our absence.

The lack of peoples understanding on what revoking full EU membership to become a bit part member of the EEA is shocking. Moreover if anyone thinks that the EU will provide more concessions to the UK than what they have given Norway or Switzerland then they are dreaming. The UK will have access to the free market ok, but it will be at the price of accepting free movement of labour as before and maybe save around 2 billion a year in fees but with the added bonus of now having to simply accept what is legislated rather than have a say or face the prospect of losing access to the free market under the terms originally negotiated.

Basically the brexiters have just been mugged off by the Buffon, Nige and Gove into thinking that they will get all the benefits of access to the free market without having to accept any of the free movement of labour or paying into the system in order to get that.
 
The number of butthurt Leavers on Facebook after realising that Farage and Hannam lied about their promises on NHS funding and immigration is just spectacular.

That's entirely up to Scotland and Northern Ireland, if they want to destroy the UK then it's their choice.

I wonder what we would be called afterwards? :D

Little Britain.
 
Here is my opinion on the whole 'age' thing..

There are two key factors I consider
1. Generational experience/knowledge.. this is a factor, e.g. someone really old may remember the impact of post war britain and so never really trust the 'europeans' due to that 'experience'.. where as younger people have grown up absolutely side by side with europeans.. You could say that these almost offset each other to some degree..

2. Ability to make decisions. for this, you can only consider an individual, there is no point comparing yourself to your grandmother.. Just look at how any individual grows with age, they gain more knowledge and experience and make better decisions as a result.. this is why people progress in careers, they get more experience of the bigger picture, they've got experiences to draw on that make then not over-react etc..

So, I would say that the reality is that the relative naivety of youth is offset by the doggedness of really old people based on generational knowledge.
The middle ground is then the true age related experience of making balanced decisions, which no doubt explains why the 30-50 camp are far more 'balanced'.. which IMO reflects the subject perfectly, their is no 'right answer', Europe is not perfect, and neither is pulling out of Europe, but experience and wisdom dictate that we won't crash into oblivion either..

Just consider this,
If everyone was better at making these far reaching decisions aged 18-24, then the world would be upside down, you'd have all world leaders, CEO's and prominent leaders being aged 18-24 , and they'd slowly get demoted as their ability to make decisions in the current world diminished.. However, despite the notion that old people are hapless as a generalisation, why is it, that people are generally 'older' when they are trusted to make better decisions?

They're also encouraged to retire at 65 because their mental faculties start to decline :p
 
How it actually works is you vote for people to look at issues properly and take responsibility.

When you get people with no responsibility to vote directly on an issue you get all kinds of illogical bias crawling out of the woodwork.

Let me put it another way, who exactly would vote for tax rises?

And so we get "Brexit" fuelled by a massive steaming pile of bizzare reasons.

Well put
 
The number of butthurt Leavers on Facebook after realising that Farage and Hannam lied about their promises on NHS funding and immigration is just spectacular.

Little Britain.

It was the official leave campaign that made posters talking about the 350million and saying that it could be spent on the NHS.

Farage was never part of the official leave campaign nor did he make those claims, he did say that the money spent on the EU could be reinvested in the uk.
 
Like I said last night.

We need to trade with the EU more than the EU need to trade with us...the whole they are a much bigger fish than us reality.

We had it pretty sweet before, our own currency, fair membership fee (compare to Norway), seat at the table and now we are basically trying to claw back what we had minus any say at the laws that they passes.

If we hated EU and it's legislation before, we are going to hate it even more as we can even vote in the making of them anymore.

Sure, we can shut ourselves off and live like North Korea, that's also a possibility...wouldn't that be wonderful ! Sovereignty and national pride !!! Woot !
 
ok.

Man.

So for the 40% of Leave voters that voted Leave (who were fed up of Tories (but you know this). That must leave 10% just on hate alone?

I don't buy it.

I asked you a simple question and I don't feel that you've answered it. You're the only one that has mentioned hate.

Question: were any of the leave voters voting leave because of immigration or the £350m a week figures?
 
It was the official leave campaign that made posters talking about the 350million and saying that it could be spent on the NHS.

Farage was never part of the official leave campaign nor did he make those claims, he did say that the money spent on the EU could be reinvested in the uk.

It's funny the leave campaign talk about extremists, but they came out with the most outrageous lies.

That advert was horrendous.
 
I asked you a simple question and I don't feel that you've answered it. You're the only one that has mentioned hate.

Question: were any of the leave voters voting leave because of immigration or the £350m a week figures?

I don't think people are that stupid tbh.
 
It's funny the leave campaign talk about extremists, but they came out with the most outrageous lies.

That advert was horrendous.

Yeah, they should have just said that the money spent on EU membership can be reinvested on public services etc.

Although the Remain campaign were no better when they kept fearmongering about world war three in europe if we leave.
 
The reasons dont matter, you dont even need one in a democracy... its not a difficult concept to understand.

I'm going to make a claim that this referendum is going to be held up as evidence in the future that important issues should never be put to a referendum.

The buffer of sanity and responsibility is meant to be politicians and advisers.

David Cameron is going to be remembered as that fool who gambled the stability of the UK and by extension the EU and relations with the US on a direct public vote.

This wasn't a vote of logic, enough of the population has turned out to be susceptible to emotive arguments and petty fears over the reality of things simply being worse.
 
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