Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[uvarvu]

I don't think people are that stupid tbh.

I do. If there was a way to prove that everyone voted responsibly then I would accept the outcome. Until then - **** no.

 

[Freakbro]

It was the official leave campaign that made posters talking about the 350million and saying that it could be spent on the NHS.

Oh, that's ok then, as long as it was just the OFFICIAL leave campaign that sold the lie...

Farage was never part of the official leave campaign nor did he make those claims, he did say that the money spent on the EU could be reinvested in the uk.

Funny the first time we heard Farage deny the claim was a couple of hours after they won though wasn't it....

 

[Raikiri]

I don't think people are that stupid tbh.

Unfortunately you would be wrong.

 

[Gilly]

bowing out of this debate tbh, I have no idea what it's about.

That's fair enough. I'm glad you saw that.

Many of the voters on each side of the referendum didn't understand what that was about either, mostly down to the lies and misinformation provided by the propaganda machines on either side. That's the entire point I'm making.

 

[Roar87]

I asked you a simple question and I don't feel that you've answered it. You're the only one that has mentioned hate.

Question: were any of the leave voters voting leave because of immigration or the £350m a week figures?

The £350m was a gross figure that anyone could look at themself on the government website, if you're voting without checking the facts then that's on you.

 

[Nate75]

nvm

 

[muon]

If anyone could find newer numbers it'd be much appreciated.

London was happy subsidising the rest of the country and effectively paying for the EU contributions.

 

[Superficial]

Wales might as well leave the UK as well, they got more money from the EU.

Independence for Cornwall!

they both voted to leave the EU

 

[Zethor]

Britain used to be the sick man of Europe and then it turned into its spoiled child, always asking of exemptions, special treatment, special deals. No more.

The Leave politicians must now stop messing around, what's this I keep hearing about not invoking Article 50? Not stopping freedom of movement? These things have to be done and they have to be done urgently, it's what the vote was all about. This isn't a game, the stock markets all over Europe, Asia, the US have lost billions and billions, which translates into lost jobs, lost investments, more and more uncertainty.

The choices were clear, the consequences were explained by the whole bloody world from the Japan to the US. The decision was not to listen to the warnings so now it's time to live and follow through with that decision.

 

[B&W]

ok.

Man.

So for the 40% of Leave voters that voted Leave (who were fed up of Tories (but you know this). That must leave 10% just on hate alone?

I don't buy it.

I think most leave voters voted due to fear of immigration, £350 million pound and the fear of Turks coming here.

Why?

Because that's the reasons they give when you talk to them..

 

[Mauller]

Oh, that's ok then, as long as it was just the OFFICIAL leave campaign that sold the lie...

Funny the first time we heard Farage deny the claim was a couple of hours after they won wasn't it....

That is becasue they pushed the question to him as though he was one of the people who can see that pledge through. Which he can't becasue he was only supporting the leave campaign and is not a minister to begin with.

It was nothing more than a dig at farage and to demonise him as the media enjoy doing.

 

[Housey]

 

[StriderX]

If anyone could find newer numbers it'd be much appreciated.

London was happy subsidising the rest of the country and paying for the EU contributions.

Crying are we?

The rest of the country sure has.

 

[Gilly]

I think most leave voters voted due to fear of immigration, £350 million pound and the fear of Turks coming here.

Why?

Because that's the reasons they give when you talk to them..

Agreed. I'm not demonising people for that, that was their choice. It just so happens that it's entirely likely that their vote will count for naught on the very subjects they cast their vote on.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I don't think people are that stupid tbh.

If you sit down with an individual and spend a bit of time and educate them so they can make an informed decision, I don't think they are too stupid to understand the real consequence of a leave vote.

If you just put out a Remain or Leave decision to the general public, then follow up by both sides just slinging out what I would call white noise, then they would vote for the most personal, illogical, uneducated and even stupid reasons. Because the UK and most nations to be honest have this innate national pride, and as any individuals do, so there is the always the strong urge to give the finger to the man. Without thinking about the wider consequences.

 

[muon]

Crying are we?

The rest of the country sure has.

Well I think devolution of regions should increase now and London should get to keep more of it's money. Leaving the EU will affect London disproportionately more than anywhere else.

Then the other regions can balance their books.

 

[Sankari]

they both voted to leave the EU

Even more independence for Cornwall!

 

[Nitefly]

Edit - in this post I mean Barnsley!

The one time we did get reasonably objective information, the leave side completely spacked out. The information leaflet from the Government. The one the FT said was, although not perfectly unbiased, far better than anything provided by either official campaign.

Still, I'm not sure how they're meant to teach people how the EU works. Paxman did a one hour documentary covering how the EU's law making worked... how many people watched that? It was available on iPlayer (probably still is) for anyone to watch at any time. Oh no, they can't possibly spend an hour of their time informing themselves. And it can't really be done in a few seconds. You can't meaningfully inform people if they're unwilling to listen to any meaningful extent.

The 'no one can name their MEP' line always made me lol. I know you didn't say exactly that, but you've referred to people not knowing about them, etc. I was talking to my father about all this recently and he mentioned how he doesn't know who his MEP was (or MEPs are)... and my response was that it's basically his bad for not just Googling it. It'd literally take seconds to find out and get their contact details, if he actually wanted to know. I just googled 'who is my MEP' and this was the top result,

http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/your-meps.html

You say there's little interaction, but how are they meant to instigate interaction? I'm sure they'd love to hear from their constituents (as long as it's not just hate mail!) but they can't magically make it happen. The ball's in our court. Just as it is when it comes to contact our MPs.

How do you inform people when there are two sides saying things, then the public is unable or unwilling to critically engage on any meaningful level? It's not hard. You can listen to a quality programme, or read a quality source, where they interrogate the claims of each side, eg. on the £350m/week figure, then come to a conclusion. If they're not thick, as you claim, that's not hard. Or use the fact checking sites. Etc.

Yeah with lack of info I did mean the lack of emphasis from political parties and the media on the importance of that information electing MEPs. I agree that people have been angry about a lack of accountability which they pretty much had the whole time but were too lazy to find out about.

I think I'm now on the fence with whether there should have been a referendum at all, after seeing that Burley video on why people voted to believe. I know people are stupid but..... Wuh?!?! Wuuu!!

But that's completely untrue. We already had the ability to govern ourselves, and nobody had the power to dictate to us. The EU cannot create legislation unless it's passed by the representatives of its member states—including the UK.

If you want to complain about EU legislation, blame British MEPs... like Daniel Hannam.

To be fair, that's not true - EU Regulations take immediate effect, but that's more for top level framework stuff than detailed nitty gritty.

I don't think people are that stupid tbh.

It's quite evident that people actually are that stupid. That video from Burley - Oh. My. God.

 

[Jonny2284]

I don't think people are that stupid tbh.

Never underestimate people. I'd love to believe that but just on the eve of the referendum I witnessed somebody I worked with at a fish factory 10 years ago (my student job, he's still there) posting pictures of an alleged copy of the UK's foreign aid distribution as why we should leave the EU.

 

[Kenai]

That is becasue they pushed the question to him as though he was one of the people who can see that pledge through. Which he can't becasue he was supporting the leave campaign and is not a minister to begin with.

It was nothing more than a dig at farage and to demonise him as the media enjoy doing.

That's not really the point being made though, if he could turn around hours after the result and say 'Well that was obviously a mistake' then why not say so during the campaigning?

He knew it was wrong, has admitted as much but deliberately never questioned it. He's just as complicit in the deception as any of the rest of them, regardless of whether it would be his responsibility to actually implement any change.