Poll: *The Official PlayStation (PS5/PS5 Pro) Thread*

[Timber]

Remember the ps4 pro was 100% faster than the ps4 and most games were still just 30fps, just at higher resolution and the ps5 pro will be the same

The PS4 Pro had a 100% GPU boost, but much smaller CPU boost. The PS4 Pro (and the Xbox One X) were limited by their Jaguar CPUs which we relatively underpowered at their time of launch compared to their 2020 counterparts. The message with PS4 Pro was very this was a console to get 4K in your games which is did either with checker-boarding or dynamic resolution etc. 60fps wasn't on the cards other than esport or mp fps games.

We've already seen way more games with the Series X/PS5 that are 60fps out of the gate. PS5 Pro is going to be able to drop resolution and use PSSR to fill in the fidelity gap and more games are GPU limited than they CPU limited on console. The bigger impact might be third-party publisher support.

Richard Leadbetter did drop in that IGN interview the other day that 80-90% of Nvidia users are utilising DLSS. Which means Sony is very much following the trends of PC GPUs. That said how much of that is because they prefer the FPS boost vs. limited visual degradation or whether it is required for poor optimisation/4K might be a moot point.

 

[Sasahara]

Remember the ps4 pro was 100% faster than the ps4 and most games were still just 30fps, just at higher resolution and the ps5 pro will be the same

I don't think many games will be 60 on the pro, but 30 on the PS5. I think it will mostly just be resolution bumps from 60@1080 to 60@4K (with upscaling if need be). CPU isn't getting a massive boost and a lot of the stuff failing to get 60 now seems to be cpu bound (like Space Marine 2).

Most games running at 30 fps are GPU bound, and most are not bound at 30 fps, but somewhere between 30 & 60, but are just locked to 30 fps, so a 45% performance increase will be enough for a lot of games to achieve 60 fps. And those that can't probably will do with the deep learning ai upscaling.

So effectively you'll see a double in performance because the base PS5 won't be running close to it's full capacity when it's stuck at 30 fps.

The Series X with a small performance advantage over the PS5, has some games that run at 60 fps that only run at 30 fps on the PS5.

 

[markoboyo11]

Most games running at 30 fps are GPU bound, and most are not bound at 30 fps, but somewhere between 30 & 60, but are just locked to 30 fps, so a 45% performance increase will be enough for a lot of games to achieve 60 fps. And those that can't probably will do with the deep learning ai upscaling.

So effectively you'll see a double in performance because the base PS5 won't be running close to it's full capacity when it's stuck at 30 fps.

The Series X with a small performance advantage over the PS5, has some games that run at 60 fps that only run at 30 fps on the PS5.

Also with pssr the pro can run at even lower Base resolutions and look better at the same time, to boost framerate higher.

 

[Timber]

The Series X with a small performance advantage over the PS5, has some games that run at 60 fps that only run at 30 fps on the PS5.

Do you mean backwards compatibility/fps boost games?

I can't think of any otherwise. Although I know there are more games on Series X that run at 120 vs. 60fps.

 

[Plainsong]

I always go for performance mode when it is offered as I like the extra frames. It’ll be interesting to see what the pro brings. If it’s enough I might consider it with a trade in if my PS5 brings it down to around £450 which would be acceptable. Most of my library is digital now anyway so I wouldn’t bother with the drive. Will keep an eye on what DF are saying once they get their hands on one.

 

[Johnz0r]

If and when my DualSense gets drift issues I will just replace them with a 3rd party one. I will just live without the tech in the vibration.

Granted if you're playing competitive FPS titles the first things that we turn off are vibration but for things like Returnal the functionality of the dualsense really add to the immersion and enjoyment of the game.

I have the Dualsense Edge and would happily recommend it despite the high price point it's a really well made bit of kit. The only thing that still annoys me is the terrible battery life - one area that Microsoft has Sony beat by a clear margin.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Granted if you're playing competitive FPS titles the first things that we turn off are vibration but for things like Returnal the functionality of the dualsense really add to the immersion and enjoyment of the game.

I have the Dualsense Edge and would happily recommend it despite the high price point it's a really well made bit of kit. The only thing that still annoys me is the terrible battery life - one area that Microsoft has Sony beat by a clear margin.

Isn't the replacement sticks are like gold dust?

I doubt I will get to the point where I will have to get a new pad though. I currently have 2 PS5 controllers and a 8bitDo Ultimate which has Halls sticks so that's a lot of them to go bad before I have to get a 4th.

 

[BuffetSlayer]

Isn't the replacement sticks are like gold dust?

I doubt I will get to the point where I will have to get a new pad though. I currently have 2 PS5 controllers and a 8bitDo Ultimate which has Halls sticks so that's a lot of them to go bad before I have to get a 4th.

Yep Sony screwed over everyone who bought an edge. Sticks are still prone to drift and one of the huge selling points of hot swapping sticks has been a complete bust. Can’t get them for love nor money without paying way over the odds and even then it’s questionable whether they are genuine Sony parts.

Such a disappointment and clearly Sony have made the choice to force players into buying more controllers when their edge inevitably drifts.

Pretty shady.

 

[Mobius 1]

talking of controllers.. the vitrix looks okay? Wonder what the battery life is like..

It’s on sale at the moment on Amazon.

Victrix ProCon BFG Wireless Controller for PS5, PS4, PC
https://amzn.eu/d/88FsWKJ

 

[TheVoice]

I did consider the same for a while but :-

A) I quite like gaming sitting relaxed on my couch

B) as much as everyone grumbles about the price of the PS5 Pro £800 doesn’t really go very far when your start pricing up gaming PCs, GPUs and monitors!

This is true, but most of my PC is six years old and still handles most things I throw at it so you can get a decent amount of life out of one, you just need to choose your starting point and upgrades carefully. I think it's the PC gamers who upgrade every couple of years who scare people off.

Most games running at 30 fps are GPU bound, and most are not bound at 30 fps, but somewhere between 30 & 60, but are just locked to 30 fps, so a 45% performance increase will be enough for a lot of games to achieve 60 fps. And those that can't probably will do with the deep learning ai upscaling.

So effectively you'll see a double in performance because the base PS5 won't be running close to it's full capacity when it's stuck at 30 fps.

The Series X with a small performance advantage over the PS5, has some games that run at 60 fps that only run at 30 fps on the PS5.

That's where things like VRR support come in to allow 40fps modes that are becoming more common. Given the appetite for performance modes in general though I think any developer who chooses to make a game 60fps only on the base PS5 will face some criticism, as they should be building their games with this in mind for the existing hardware already.

I'm not aware of a single current-gen game that runs at 60fps on the Series X and only 30 on the PS5. If anything the PS5 versions tend to perform better.

 

[Grim5]

We've already seen way more games with the Series X/PS5 that are 60fps out of the gate. PS5 Pro is going to be able to drop resolution and use PSSR to fill in the fidelity gap and more games are GPU limited than they CPU limited on console. The bigger impact might be third-party publisher support.

How much lower you wanna drop it when so many ps5 games are 720p

 

[ooStevo]

To be fair the hardware is substantial. But £700 for a console is ridiculous. Nice if you can afford it.

 

[ooStevo]

This is true, but most of my PC is six years old and still handles most things I throw at it so you can get a decent amount of life out of one, you just need to choose your starting point and upgrades carefully. I think it's the PC gamers who upgrade every couple of years who scare people off.


That's where things like VRR support come in to allow 40fps modes that are becoming more common. Given the appetite for performance modes in general though I think any developer who chooses to make a game 60fps only on the base PS5 will face some criticism, as they should be building their games with this in mind for the existing hardware already.

I'm not aware of a single current-gen game that runs at 60fps on the Series X and only 30 on the PS5. If anything the PS5 versions tend to perform better.

It's because the PS5 runs at 2.3ghz whereas the SX only runs at 1.8ghz. Higher filtrate.

 

[Andybtsn]

Yep Sony screwed over everyone who bought an edge. Sticks are still prone to drift and one of the huge selling points of hot swapping sticks has been a complete bust. Can’t get them for love nor money without paying way over the odds and even then it’s questionable whether they are genuine Sony parts.

Such a disappointment and clearly Sony have made the choice to force players into buying more controllers when their edge inevitably drifts.

Pretty shady.

What is the rrp of the sticks? £20 each? I can get some from Argos now. I’ve had my edge for over a year and don’t have drift. Also got some spare sticks for when I need them

 

[BuffetSlayer]

What is the rrp of the sticks? £20 each? I can get some from Argos now. I’ve had my edge for over a year and don’t have drift. Also got some spare sticks for when I need them

Yes RRP is £19.99.

Argos showing no stock for delivery or collection from any store within my region. Amazon has 3rd party sellers flogging them from £50- £160 each. Most are 2nd hand or individuals trying to scalp.

It’s good that you have some spares but my experience is they are never in stock anywhere but Amazon, and sellers are profiteering.

So I feel my point still stands. The sticks should be widely available including direct from Sony at RRP prices. Sony themselves haven’t stocked them for over a year now, probably longer, or if they have it’s been in such low numbers they have gone out of stock again immediately.

It shouldn’t be this hard to get hold of replacement sticks given they were a key marketing piece for the product and a key reason people bought the edge in the first place.

There’s a distinct whiff of bait and switch about it all (imo).

 

[adidan]

Blummin hell controllers are pricey at the moment.

I have a backup white one that came with the console because I picked up a black one for about thirty odd quid when I bought my black slim plates. Admittedly there was an offer at the time but that was a comfortable price.

Seems to be about £60 now which is stupid.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I only got a 2nd controller because at the time during the first 6 months of launch I could only get one because Curry's only did bundles. It was either controller, or Spiderman for an extra £45 or something.

 

[xaldub]

YIt shouldn’t be this hard to get hold of replacement sticks given they were a key marketing piece for the product and a key reason people bought the edge in the first place.

There’s a distinct whiff of bait and switch about it all (imo).

Does sound a bit suspicious. Certainly puts me off getting a Dualsense Edge - and I thought it was already overpriced. Thankfully, I have two completely functional ordinary controllers ( bought a 2nd one just after launch so I didn't have to worry about poor battery life ) and haven't ecountered any stick drift .... yet.

 

[t2na]

Does sound a bit suspicious. Certainly puts me off getting a Dualsense Edge - and I thought it was already overpriced. Thankfully, I have two completely functional ordinary controllers ( bought a 2nd one just after launch so I didn't have to worry about poor battery life ) and haven't ecountered any stick drift .... yet.

It's really bad from Sony that they seem to have made the stick modules so hard to come by, it was meant to be one of the whole selling points to it.

I think I, and a few others here, are some of the lucky ones who picked up a fair few spares when they ran the offer on PS Direct - so hopefully means I'll be without issues for the next year or so. By that point hopefully Sony has figured out how to actually keep them in stock and make them available.

I did see a few at a CeX near me last week but they were almost twice the price.

 

[biron_w]

Talking about stick drift and the replacement sticks not being available for the Dualsense Edge:

Seems the lack of stock for sticks is worldwide and it does seem to be on purpose. It's basically just a huge scam by Sony. Charge people a fortune for the controller with the promise that they can replace the sticks but never actually have any sticks for people to buy.