Poll: *The Official PlayStation (PS5/PS5 Pro) Thread*

[andshrew]

It says they are targeting ps1-ps5 games on the thing, so probably won't launch for few more years as handheld are too slow and expensive. Probably see Sony and Xbox both launch handhelds at the same time - they may even launch alongside next gen consoles- with the sales pitch being buy the big console for your living room or the cheaper handheld for portable gaming and living room gaming


This also points to PS6 being compatible with PS5 games and potentially they may just run the same games with more cross compatibility, even worse than this generation, they'll just keep making ps6 games run on the ps5 so the new handheld can play them

We're in PC territory and it's only going to get worse, console generations as a concept are basically dead, there is no more generations, just mild hardware upgrades that run the same games or offer new methods to play

Nintendo is the only company that is still doing console generations and even that is probably about to end in 2025

You would rather that they cut off games from previous consoles so that you retain a sense of "generations"?

We've been in an iterative cycle of hardware upgrades for at least the last 20 years now, if Sony hadn't mis-stepped so much with their PS3 architecture then then PS5 would already have software compatibility going back three generations. There is zero chance that a PS6 doesn't retain the same level of backwards compatibility that the PS5 already has.

 

[Amatsubu]

Bit harsh, they've outdone themselves with SH2 and it's an incredibly polished game. They're evidently not the only ones struggling with PSSR either.

Exactly, it's not entirely their fault and they did a better job with the remake than they had any right to. PSSR simply struggles with upscaling from below 1080p and seems to be particularly nasty with UE5's Lumen.

It's completely normal, AI upscaling isn't a magic wand and there's a threshold below which the resultant image simply won't hold up to scrutiny.

It'll get better at that in 1-2 years probably but I wish people understood that the games where PSSR delivers satisfying results aren't upscaled from 900p or 864p like SH2 or AW2 and aren't that demanding. There's just not enough grunt to push higher base res in the most demanding games without making sacrifices elsewhere.

 

[malachi]

They just need to make a modern PS Vita. It would sell bucketloads.

I don't think it would.

PSP and Vita was sold as "Playstation experience on the go" The market showed no one wanted that experience on the go.

 

[markoboyo11]

I really enjoyed my psp, playing Tiger woods all day with the boys on the boat when we should have been working was great. Way better than nintendo could offer at the time but hardly any games for it.

My 30th anniversary controller finally rocked up today, is a thing of beauty.

 

[Kainz]

Finally home after a good few days away.

Tried the Forever Skies demo...god it is rough. Quality mode is 30fps with blurry textures right off the bat. Performance isn't hardly any better. I lasted some 10mins before giving up. It literally starts off the same as Subnautica...picking up things, and theres PDA entries via data pads and hey theres a ingame AI with a voice too. Needs miles more work.

Time to check out Dying Light 2 and then Ishin tomorrow.

 

[Noxia]

I enjoy forever skies on my PC but yeah I wouldn't want to compromise on FPS or muddy graphics either.

I think sometimes developers just don't put much effort in. An example is Warhammer 40,000 chaos gate, It looks dreadful on PS5. Almost like a PS4 game and yet even on PC it's not particularly demanding, but it looks a hell of a lot better.

I know it's got an ageing CPU but there are many games that look a hell of a lot better, not even first party titles.

 

[Relentless81]

Hi,

I'm seriously considering selling my Xbox Series X and buying a PS5 for the sole purpose of being able to use a Portal and not hog the TV and to play the exclusive single player games I've missed out on

What is the best way to catch up on these games, this will influence whether or not I can save money on a digital only PS5 or disc version, will I need to pay a subscription to access them all and therefore I can get away with digital only or does it work out cheaper to avoid subscriptions, get the disc PS5 and buy the physical games? The games in question are exclusives such as God Of War, TLOU, Astrobot etc

Will the Portal work ok without a subscription and I read the Portal doesn't have Bluetooth, is there a go to cost effective wired headset that works well?

I'll also need to replace FC for my son and buy an additional controller, if I'm going to do it I need to do it now while everything is on offer or stick with what I have and get some form of Game Pass streaming hand held or controller for my phone but my experience with that last time wasn't great and I ended up selling the phone controller from lack of use plus the games on Game Pass just aren't doing it for me

Any other alternative solutions welcomed, obviously its expensive to move over so utilising what I have is tempting

 

[xaldub]

Hi,

I'm seriously considering selling my Xbox Series X and buying a PS5 for the sole purpose of being able to use a Portal and not hog the TV and to play the exclusive single player games I've missed out on

What is the best way to catch up on these games, this will influence whether or not I can save money on a digital only PS5 or disc version, will I need to pay a subscription to access them all and therefore I can get away with digital only or does it work out cheaper to avoid subscriptions, get the disc PS5 and buy the physical games? The games in question are exclusives such as God Of War, TLOU, Astrobot etc

Will the Portal work ok without a subscription and I read the Portal doesn't have Bluetooth, is there a go to cost effective wired headset that works well?

I'll also need to replace FC for my son and buy an additional controller, if I'm going to do it I need to do it now while everything is on offer or stick with what I have and get some form of Game Pass streaming hand held or controller for my phone but my experience with that last time wasn't great and I ended up selling the phone controller from lack of use plus the games on Game Pass just aren't doing it for me

Any other alternative solutions welcomed, obviously its expensive to move over so utilising what I have is tempting

The cheapest method, in the long run, would be to buy a console with an optical drive. You can buy the games from Amazon etc, or even here on the members market, for considerably less than what is available on the Playstation digital store. Of course, if you'd prefer not to have any physical media cluttering up the house then you could go all digital ; but be warned, prices are higher within the "walled garden" of the Sony marketplace.

If you've never played any Sony games before, the PS Plus/Extra subscription represents good value for money. It basically has almost everything that's on Xbox's Game Pass, minus a few Xbox 1st party titles. The only snag to be aware of is that Sony's own 1st party titles rotate on/off the platform - they are not persistently there, unlike on Game Pass.

How well Portal works will be completely dependent on your wifi / broadband connectivity. If you have a decent service then you'll be ok ( within your house, at least ). Portal can now do cloud streaming, which means technically you don't need to own a console ... just have a PS account plus subscription to access games. According to Digital Foundry, the performance and latency is similar to streaming from a local console. Of course, this assumes your wifi service is adequate.

Btw, have you considered a Steam Deck ? You'd have access to almost every game ( via Steam ) including many of the Sony 1st party titles. If I was going to have limited/no access to TV gaming then that would probably be my choice.

 

[Relentless81]

The cheapest method, in the long run, would be to buy a console with an optical drive. You can buy the games from Amazon etc, or even here on the members market, for considerably less than what is available on the Playstation digital store. Of course, if you'd prefer not to have any physical media cluttering up the house then you could go all digital ; but be warned, prices are higher within the "walled garden" of the Sony marketplace.

If you've never played any Sony games before, the PS Plus/Extra subscription represents good value for money. It basically has almost everything that's on Xbox's Game Pass, minus a few Xbox 1st party titles. The only snag to be aware of is that Sony's own 1st party titles rotate on/off the platform - they are not persistently there, unlike on Game Pass.

How well Portal works will be completely dependent on your wifi / broadband connectivity. If you have a decent service then you'll be ok ( within your house, at least ). Portal can now do cloud streaming, which means technically you don't need to own a console ... just have a PS account plus subscription to access games. According to Digital Foundry, the performance and latency is similar to streaming from a local console. Of course, this assumes your wifi service is adequate.

Btw, have you considered a Steam Deck ? You'd have access to almost every game ( via Steam ) including many of the Sony 1st party titles. If I was going to have limited/no access to TV gaming then that would probably be my choice.

Thank you for that it's the information I needed, wifi is more than adequate I have a mesh setup and 500mb connection so not concerned about that

You've just raised a very good point regarding the steam deck though, I completely forgot Sony now release games on steam and I already have a steam library from PC gaming days, that might actually be a good shout. Is TLOU, god of war etc on steam? I need to have a look and see if the games I'm interested are on there

Just had a very quick look, kind of pricey at around £50 per game and can't yet seem to figure out how easy it is to tell if it's guaranteed to work well on the steam deck, I'll look into it some more but the temptation of the PS5 and portal is it'll just work

 

[Ayahuasca]

Oh dear, £200 voucher from work, must try not to use it on a pro...

I've just signed up for Playstation Plus again and am really enjoying TLOU P1 and Ratchet & Clank, so it's tempting to upgrade.

 

[Amatsubu]

Oh dear, £200 voucher from work, must try not to use it on a pro...

I've just signed up for Playstation Plus again and am really enjoying TLOU P1 and Ratchet & Clank, so it's tempting to upgrade.

Why would you not use it on the Pro, though? If you really want one now, I'd just get it for 200 quid off, sell the base PS5 and you're golden. That's not a bad deal.

I was close to buying one myself but my discount is valid till the end of the year, so I'll wait a little bit to see if any new titles/ patches get announced as PSSR is a bit of a mixed bag currently. I will have sorted my Dolby Atmos setup by then as well.

I've just finished TLoU1 myself and wouldn't mind replaying on Grounded.

 

[Relentless81]

Just did some fag packet maths

Steam desk OLED 512 - £480

PS5 disk slim, portal, additional controller and FC25 - approx £680 minus sale of Xbox and additional controller approx £405 cost to change

PS5 actually works out cheaper and I assume the games would be considerably cheaper than on steam too

Hmmmm

 

[Ayahuasca]

Why would you not use it on the Pro, though?

There are other things I want, and it would feel like an impulse buy after just getting back into console gaming with PS+.

I think I'll hold off a bit and see what else is announced for it, because from what I've heard, it's only a select few games where the differences are immediately noticeable and worthwhile.

 

[Amatsubu]

There are other things I want, and it would feel like an impulse buy after just getting back into console gaming with PS+.

I think I'll hold off a bit and see what else is announced for it, because from what I've heard, it's only a select few games where the differences are immediately noticeable and worthwhile.

Oh yeah, if there's anything else you want then think it through.

Waiting is a very sensible option. If anything, what the Pro has shown me so far is that the base console punched way above its weight so maybe just have fun with what's there for now. The heaviest games still struggle on the Pro anyways and the first parties perform really well considering. PSSR itself is going to be hit or miss for a good while still.

 

[xaldub]

Just did some fag packet maths

Steam desk OLED 512 - £480

PS5 disk slim, portal, additional controller and FC25 - approx £680 minus sale of Xbox and additional controller approx £405 cost to change

PS5 actually works out cheaper and I assume the games would be considerably cheaper than on steam too

Hmmmm

Buying games on Steam is cheaper ... especially when you take into consideration you can purchase cheap keys from the likes of CDKeys etc. For example, right now TLOU part 1 is £21.99 and GOW Ragnarok is £37.99. These games do work on the Steam Deck, but performance is better on PS5, imo. Which option is best for you really depends on how much play time you think you're going to get using the console/TV directly. If your game time is going to be >90% sitting on the sofa with a handheld device then I would go with the Deck personally.

 

[Relentless81]

Buying games on Steam is cheaper ... especially when you take into consideration you can purchase cheap keys from the likes of CDKeys etc. For example, right now TLOU part 1 is £21.99 and GOW Ragnarok is £37.99. These games do work on the Steam Deck, but performance is better on PS5, imo. Which option is best for you really depends on how much play time you think you're going to get using the console/TV directly. If your game time is going to be >90% sitting on the sofa with a handheld device then I would go with the Deck personally.

That's what I'm worried about with the deck, how well is it going to run games like that, with the portal it's biggest advantage to me is I can use the TV for half an hour, get kicked off, pickup the portal and crack on

Lots more options with the deck though I'm just concerned about wasting valuable gaming time faffing around getting things to work, low frame rate low quality gameplay when playing locally because it struggles, I've read it gets noisy too where as the portal doesn't but then with the portal, it's easier and less faff but you're restricted to Sony only which probably isn't a big deal because there are so many exclusives I need to play it will take me years to catch up!

 

[AStaley]

My disc drive from Very is on its way.

 

[xaldub]

That's what I'm worried about with the deck, how well is it going to run games like that, with the portal it's biggest advantage to me is I can use the TV for half an hour, get kicked off, pickup the portal and crack on

Lots more options with the deck though I'm just concerned about wasting valuable gaming time faffing around getting things to work, low frame rate low quality gameplay when playing locally because it struggles, I've read it gets noisy too where as the portal doesn't but then with the portal, it's easier and less faff but you're restricted to Sony only which probably isn't a big deal because there are so many exclusives I need to play it will take me years to catch up!

There are pros and cons to both. Steam Deck is less performant compared to a PS5, but then it's only driving a 1280 x 800 screen, not a 4K display. It can basically run all these games, but don't expect to play the latest AAA titles at max settings. Also, input latency isn't a problem as you're not streaming the content. Cost of games is far cheaper on the Steam Deck ( better sales, access to key sites etc ), plus you don't have to pay for a subscription.

For the PS5 /portal combo you will get a better experience / performance when using the console itself. The portal gives a handheld/portable option but it's a dumb device ie. streams content only. There will be higher latency compared to playing on the Steam Deck or console directly ... this could have an impact on gameplay eg. fast action, 1st person shooters etc. Cost of games will be higher compared to the Steam Deck.

If you think you will get to use the console on your TV, get the PS5/portal. But the Deck is a strong contender for those who are always on the go or don't have access to a TV for gaming.

 

[Relentless81]

There are pros and cons to both. Steam Deck is less performant compared to a PS5, but then it's only driving a 1280 x 800 screen, not a 4K display. It can basically run all these games, but don't expect to play the latest AAA titles at max settings. Also, input latency isn't a problem as you're not streaming the content. Cost of games is far cheaper on the Steam Deck ( better sales, access to key sites etc ), plus you don't have to pay for a subscription.

For the PS5 /portal combo you will get a better experience / performance when using the console itself. The portal gives a handheld/portable option but it's a dumb device ie. streams content only. There will be higher latency compared to playing on the Steam Deck or console directly ... this could have an impact on gameplay eg. fast action, 1st person shooters etc. Cost of games will be higher compared to the Steam Deck.

If you think you will get to use the console on your TV, get the PS5/portal. But the Deck is a strong contender for those who are always on the go or don't have access to a TV for gaming.

It will likely never leave the house

I keep leaning toward the deck for it's versatility but noise and performance is putting me off and I start thinking PS5 again but by the time I've sold the Xbox prices will go back up

It doesn't help that I'm really indecisive!

 

[xaldub]

It will likely never leave the house

I keep leaning toward the deck for it's versatility but noise and performance is putting me off and I start thinking PS5 again but by the time I've sold the Xbox prices will go back up

It doesn't help that I'm really indecisive!

I'll make the choice for you ... get the PS5/portal !