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I also have a suspicion that the guy who seeded (what appeared to be) Earth, may have been going rogue.
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Or the 'engineers' are......almost a biblical analogy where Lucifer is cast out for rejecting Mankind and rising against God, so might the Engineers have been a dissident group intent on destroying Mankind as an affront to their purity? The surviving Engineer was complacent in his contempt for Man, only pausing to regard David for a moment (considering his artificial nature perhaps), whereas the original 'sacrifice' was almost reverent, as if he knew the import of what he was doing.....
The more I think about this, the better the film would have been if I had written it...lol.
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The way I see it is that the thing at the end was not in fact the "first" Alien but how shall I put it...a looking glass back to the origins of the xenomorph species. Think about it...the events in Alien happened only a few years after Prometheus yet the ship had been derelict for an age, this does not fit in with the timeline.
i see it as a outbreak similar to that of Prometheus had happened long ago leading up to events that led to the crash of the ship in Alien. The reason we dont see fully developed "aliens" is due to the fact the stuff in Prometheus was just the seed to what we now know as the xenomorphs. kinda how we are meant to be evolved from apes...the alien in prometheus was the "ape" and the alien in alien was "us" just a much more evolved variant. Basically this is how the xenomorphs started off but it was not the very first, instead it only showed us how the xenomorphs came about but the original xenomorph was created long long ago.
This also ties in with the AVP story arc if you count that as canon.
Thoroughly enjoyed the film I must say. A few plot holes but overall very very good and looking forward to a directors cut.
i see it as a outbreak similar to that of Prometheus had happened long ago leading up to events that led to the crash of the ship in Alien. The reason we dont see fully developed "aliens" is due to the fact the stuff in Prometheus was just the seed to what we now know as the xenomorphs. kinda how we are meant to be evolved from apes...the alien in prometheus was the "ape" and the alien in alien was "us" just a much more evolved variant. Basically this is how the xenomorphs started off but it was not the very first, instead it only showed us how the xenomorphs came about but the original xenomorph was created long long ago.
This also ties in with the AVP story arc if you count that as canon.
Thoroughly enjoyed the film I must say. A few plot holes but overall very very good and looking forward to a directors cut.
I suppose that makes sense. But still speculation, no evidence of this.. I have enjoyed figuring things out, speculating, but feel for the most part we shouldn't have to..
I enjoy it when I think of it making sense but then realise none of this was in the actual film.
You kind of looped around one of the major plot holes and nearly answered your own question.
Nostromo crewmen find eggs with facehuggers in Space Jockey's "croissant" on LV-426 in 2122, roughly 40 years after Prometheus lands on LV-233. Space Jockey's "croissant" (or Derelict) is there for very, very, very long time. Long enough to be completely fossilised ( and very bloated - about twice the size of typical Engineer from Prometheus story line, if we are to be precise). Therefore the seamonster/Engineer xenomorph cannot really be a seed, "ape" or protoplast to anything in regular Alien xenomorph life cycle, because it is, highly impossible in terms of timeline.
The only chance Ridley had to tie this up, was if he crashed a "croissant" from LV-233 with already fossilised for 2000 years, chestbursted Space Jockey in a chair and classic Alien Queen onboard or classic facehugger eggs premade by classic Alien Queen, straight onto LV-426, where it would stay for 40 years, together with warning beacon until Mother picked up a signal and diverted Nostromo.
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its highly possible in terms of time line
Say the seeds made in 2000 bc (black gooey stuff) the engineers use this goo somewhere else allowing time for this to advance through the stages to finally become a xenomorph which is what we find on LV-426.
On the other hand they have this goo in storage in the setting of prometheus on LV-233. This gets released and advances through the stages to become the "ape" xenomorph which will eventually become a full xenomorph...many generations after mind you so in no way are LV-426 and LV-233 linked. You have to remember this is a highly specialized bioweapon so i doubt the stages of evolution are random, this will be highly specilised.
so as a time line itd go something like this
ALIEN-2000 bc (engineers create bioweapon)------>1000bc (an outbreak occurs during transportation or something similar)----->0bc (xenomorphs have evolved to the level we currently know them as and a ship containing them crash lands on LV-462 giving time to fossilise)-----2100AD(events of alien)
Then running side by side to this you have:
PROMETHEUS-2000bc(engineers create bioweapon and put in storage on LV-233)---->2100AD(humans come along and release bioweapon allowing the first stages of xenomorph evolution to take place creating what we see at the end of prometheus)
So basically at the same time as the "ape" xeno at the end of prometheus, there are fully evolved xenos on LV-462.
Hope ive made sense hehe
PS just to clarify. The goo is the seed, not the giant facehugger thing. The seed/goo could have been dormant for millenia and spread around the galaxy. So if it has been released elsewhere they're will be different places with different stages of xeno evolution depending on how long ago the seed/goo was released. As it was just released on LV-233 we see the first stages of xeno evolution. However as it was released a long time ago on the ship that crashed into LV-462 that is a more advanced stage of xeno evolution.
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The engineers never speak ( well they do be we get no subs ) its just the humans that for no reason decide they intend to destroy earth....
Why do we think the aliens were going to earth again?
David saw the star map and earth was clearly highlighted as the destination.
I don't think it is the first xenomorph. It just shows how xenos came about. kinda like if we brought an early homo sapien back to life now. That homosapien would have to go through thousands of genrations of evolution to end up at where we are now. Yet at the same time we are already developed. Thats how I see this film.
I don't think the saucer space craft during in the intro was a "Engineer" ship.
I think it was a race of beings that are even higher up the food chain than the Engineers.
Theories on a post card though... as to why they "dropped off" on a virgin planet a young Engineer who then sacrifices himself.
I think it was a race of beings that are even higher up the food chain than the Engineers.
Theories on a post card though... as to why they "dropped off" on a virgin planet a young Engineer who then sacrifices himself.
The way I read the "star map" scene was like this...
The Engineers have seeded/colonised hundreds of worlds and all these civilisations are pointed towards LV-223 via cave paintings or what have you.
Once a race of seeded Engineer beings (e.g. humans) are intelligent and advanced enough to reach this planet... the star map room is a "trick" whereby it basically lets you inadvertently "select" from an elaborate menu system which planet you are from.
Of course once you've selected your home planet, you then realise you've made a big mistake because you've also just plotted the course of an alien battlecrusier space ship!
The Engineers have seeded/colonised hundreds of worlds and all these civilisations are pointed towards LV-223 via cave paintings or what have you.
Once a race of seeded Engineer beings (e.g. humans) are intelligent and advanced enough to reach this planet... the star map room is a "trick" whereby it basically lets you inadvertently "select" from an elaborate menu system which planet you are from.
Of course once you've selected your home planet, you then realise you've made a big mistake because you've also just plotted the course of an alien battlecrusier space ship!
The complication is the new life cycle of SNL Conehead/pterodactile xeno:
- black goo into alimentary tract of a humanoid
- sperm impregnation of infected humanoid into new female humanoid host (in a relatively short period of 12 hours before original infected host becomes zombie)
- womb birth of a pra-xenomorph from impregnated female host (possibly that xeno becomes queen)
- egg
- facehugger
- chestburster xeno
Since we saw chestbursted pile of Engineer bodies in one part of the bunker where "headless Engineer" was running away from as well (I think?), we can deduct that there was already at least one black goo infection, leading to impregnation, leading to birth of xeno that's gone through full life cycle, through eggs and facehuggers all the way to chestbursters within bunker no.1. It also means that within that bunker, at some point there were at least as many xenos as there are dead bodies running the corridors and laying eggs. And yet the "puppies" found none. Someone ***** something up badly in this story.
- black goo into alimentary tract of a humanoid
- sperm impregnation of infected humanoid into new female humanoid host (in a relatively short period of 12 hours before original infected host becomes zombie)
- womb birth of a pra-xenomorph from impregnated female host (possibly that xeno becomes queen)
- egg
- facehugger
- chestburster xeno
Since we saw chestbursted pile of Engineer bodies in one part of the bunker where "headless Engineer" was running away from as well (I think?), we can deduct that there was already at least one black goo infection, leading to impregnation, leading to birth of xeno that's gone through full life cycle, through eggs and facehuggers all the way to chestbursters within bunker no.1. It also means that within that bunker, at some point there were at least as many xenos as there are dead bodies running the corridors and laying eggs. And yet the "puppies" found none. Someone ***** something up badly in this story.
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Another thing about the temples... I can't remember how many there were but there was quite a few, no? And the crew only entered the first one?
What if the other temples have in them totally different species? So temple #1 just happened to be humans, hence the giant human-like head statue... but temple #2 could be something totally different and have a corresponding (but not human) head statue also.
The way I read the Xeno mural on the wall of the first temple was... "here is what the xeno will look like when a human has been infected with black goo"
Maybe the other temples would show other Xeno designs.
What if the other temples have in them totally different species? So temple #1 just happened to be humans, hence the giant human-like head statue... but temple #2 could be something totally different and have a corresponding (but not human) head statue also.
The way I read the Xeno mural on the wall of the first temple was... "here is what the xeno will look like when a human has been infected with black goo"
Maybe the other temples would show other Xeno designs.
By the end human species entered at least two, since Shaw run on foot with messed up android in a bag to the second temple in order to borrow additional parked "croisant". Presumably not checking any rooms on her way.
Let's not forget there was entire moon outside of this valley too. They only just landed on the surface based on "look down there, to the right" coordinates.
So the bioweapon is very dependent on infecting a male human with the black glue then hope he would get jiggy with a female to make the first facehugger all before he transforms into a hulk and goes nuts?
Speaking of which though... I'm not entirely sure how a second movie would work. I think it would, at the least, have a substantially different format. Perhaps less of an action movie this time. Because, well, there are only 2 characters left alive - Shaw and David (albeit severely damaged!). Oh and there is that Xeno-like creature too.
So what can happen here then? David said that he knew how to fly a Croissant. Presumably it isn't something he can just "teach" to Shaw with some flying lessons. So can we then assume that it isn't going to be Shaw flying the ship? And hence, the crashed Croissant on LV-426 isn't going to be a fossilised Shaw? Where would David disappear to also?
I'm not sure on what they can with that Xeno creature either. On that planet there isn't much he can do. There is literally only one other human there that he can mess with. And that assumes it can find a way off the shuttle craft.
Why does Shaw seem so intent on finding their homeworld? I mean that Jockey didn't seem too pleased to see her. Why does she want to risk her life even more? Surely not just blind faith that the next Jockey she encounters will be friendlier?
Who says the Jockey's actually *have* a homeworld at all? They strike me as being a space fairing race that rely heavily upon very very long cyrostasis sleep periods.
So what can happen here then? David said that he knew how to fly a Croissant. Presumably it isn't something he can just "teach" to Shaw with some flying lessons. So can we then assume that it isn't going to be Shaw flying the ship? And hence, the crashed Croissant on LV-426 isn't going to be a fossilised Shaw? Where would David disappear to also?
I'm not sure on what they can with that Xeno creature either. On that planet there isn't much he can do. There is literally only one other human there that he can mess with. And that assumes it can find a way off the shuttle craft.
Why does Shaw seem so intent on finding their homeworld? I mean that Jockey didn't seem too pleased to see her. Why does she want to risk her life even more? Surely not just blind faith that the next Jockey she encounters will be friendlier?
Who says the Jockey's actually *have* a homeworld at all? They strike me as being a space fairing race that rely heavily upon very very long cyrostasis sleep periods.
Xeno, which is running out of air very quickly.
I keep thinking about the last scenes and I can't understand Vickers story line. She jumps into escape pod and survives just to be comically crushed under Croissant. Why rescue her minutes earlier just to lead her to ridiculous ending in next scene. Unless they hated working with Charlize Theron so much that they just wanted to do something mean and funny to her character or they wanted to open another end. At this point effectively you have three choices:
1. Shaw goes on to search for Engineers, to tell them what she thinks about them, with half destroyed schizophrenic android (I'm gonna save you during storm, I'm gonna kill your boyfriend, I'm gonna sacrifice your life so you can give birth to this here octopus, I'm going to help you find Engineers, trust me)/..
2. Shaw goes on to search for Engineers, but Xeno followed them to the Croissant No.2
3. Shaw goes on to search for Engineers, Vickers survives being crushed thanks to some sort of exhaust or opening like the one Nostromo crew used to enter The Derelict on LV-426. She's now alone on the planet with a rather large Xeno baby.