*** The Official Rugby World Cup 2015 Thread ***
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Soldato
It's normally the semis when The All Blacks get something in their throat and choke 
On a different note I'm looking forward to watching the All Black vs Springbok semi!
I sure am... but kinda not at the same time
The AB's ability to spread the ball and attack on the front foot is just awe inspiring at the moment. SA is far too one dimensional - the "crash cart" approach won't work against the ABs.
I'm hoping that the heavens open up, so that it will play to the Springboks' favour... a bit.
It's normally the semis when The All Blacks get something in their throat and choke
That's why I'm looking forward to it
Much more than the, now sour, Argentina v. Australia game. Any performance near that last game vs France and I can see the Springboks getting beaten.I think i'd rather be castigated for making the right decision in the wrong way, than the wrong decision in the right way...
Man of Honour
It's normally the semis when The All Blacks get something in their throat and choke
Same. Now that they have taken out France in such a spectacular fashion (and every other team to be fair), and also owing to the fact there are no more northern hemisphere teams left, I want the ABs to dominate and just be untouchable.
Man of Honour
I agree, by that point he was in a position where there would be problems either way but that mainly his own doing. My question was really about what the TMO would have done if the referee were to direct them to look at the incident/replay it for his own benefit as he was uncertain about the correct action for the incident - bit unfair perhaps as a question since it's probably not been tested. However I think there's a fairly strong argument that although it might not be in the rules using the TMO in this way would have been "morally" justifiable for this or any other future similar situations because of the stakes. You can rescind cards after the event when it goes to the disciplinary boards but you can't undo the penalties or points scored and that's why you need to be as sure about them as you can be.
I'd have to admit I switched off straight after the match as the commentary and dissection of the game was just going to infuriate me - nothing will change the result and harbouring a grudge won't do any good. If the Scotland fans were unfair in their treatment of Michael Cheika or any of the match officials then however understandable the frustration I'd fully expect the SFRU to be warned and that behaviour to be stamped out, it should have no place in any sport.
I quite like Michael Cheika and think he's done a marvellous job with the Aussie team but from the reports after the match I think he perhaps made two errors of judgement 1) stating that it clearly was a penalty, it wasn't clearly anything at that point and 2) not really acknowledging just how much of a get out of jail card that really was, Australia played well in places but they were very lucky that Scotland botched the line out and that they were given a questionable penalty to win it.
Absolutely daft, no arguments here and it's one of the reasons why I don't think it is or should be just about Joubert's decisions. Scotland should have taken it out of his hands and just kept the ball for the remaining minutes.
I'd also like to see an investigation into this sorry situation as it's overshadowing what was a highly entertaining game of rugby (albeit a hugely tense game for fans of the teams).
If Hogg did give Joubert some abuse then it's unacceptable but equally I'd say it's quite understandable when tempers are running high, he was tackled a good second or two after he'd got rid of the ball with a shoulder straight into the chest, I didn't see any attempt to wrap arms round for a tackle although it's possible I need to see it again.
For all that I've said there nothing changes now, Scotland are out after what was a frankly magnificent performance apart from that last line out. I've enjoyed watching Scotland this World Cup and there were enough positives there to give me hope they can kick on from this but I've also seen enough false dawns to not expect too much.
Feel sorry for Scotland although a bit more composure on that lineout and it would have taken it out of the refs hands. Throw to 2, truck it up the middle a few times and kick it out.
Hate to say it but could have Hogg's antics earlier in the tourney come back to haunt him a little? Haven't seen a replay, was it blatant?!
I always cheer the NH when going against the SH, bit poor form to not imo! SH clean sweep is not a good look, next weekend could just be a round of the Rugby Championship now which is a bit poo.
Real shame Ireland got hit by so many injuries to key players. Would have fancied us in that game. Don't think we took them lightly at all. Just beaten by a better team on the day who spotted our weakness and exploited it ruthlessly in the first 15 mins and the last 10!
Hate to say it but could have Hogg's antics earlier in the tourney come back to haunt him a little? Haven't seen a replay, was it blatant?!
I always cheer the NH when going against the SH, bit poor form to not imo! SH clean sweep is not a good look, next weekend could just be a round of the Rugby Championship now which is a bit poo.
Real shame Ireland got hit by so many injuries to key players. Would have fancied us in that game. Don't think we took them lightly at all. Just beaten by a better team on the day who spotted our weakness and exploited it ruthlessly in the first 15 mins and the last 10!
The ref did not get castigated by the press for disallowing the Fiji try in the first match after he saw the replays on the main screen and saw that Nikola Matawalu had dropped the ball before touching down.
There are no rules covering that scenario, neither the ref nor his assistants or even the TMO had noticed that the ball had been dropped.
The ref and all were happy to award the try instantly, and move on to the conversion, only when the director decided to go through the angles in replays on the main screen did the dropped ball show up.
The ref saw the screen replays (had never asked the TMO to show them) , knew he had made a mistake and disallowed the try, and was praised for owning up to a mistake and correcting it.
If technology is there use it all the time, not just for dangerous play and scoring possibilities.
There was allegedly a plastic bottle thrown, no glass bottles are allowed in the stadium. Was the refs life in jeopardy, doubt it. If the reason he ran off without staying on the pitch at fiull time was due to a plastic bottle thrown and hostile booing, he shouldn't be there in the first place.
Why are people still going on about the lineout. Yes the throw wasn't good but Denton did knock the ball back and from the result Scotland should have retained the ball if the ref seen the knock back first from the aussie player.
Why did the ref use the TMO for Maitlands yellow card when the attack didn't look like a try scoring opportunity, yet they still based his yellow on the evidence from the video.
Why was he quick to dismiss the late shoulder charge on Hogg.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/rugby/wheres-wally-social-media-search-6658593
Why are people still going on about the lineout. Yes the throw wasn't good but Denton did knock the ball back and from the result Scotland should have retained the ball if the ref seen the knock back first from the aussie player.
Why did the ref use the TMO for Maitlands yellow card when the attack didn't look like a try scoring opportunity, yet they still based his yellow on the evidence from the video.
Why was he quick to dismiss the late shoulder charge on Hogg.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/rugby/wheres-wally-social-media-search-6658593
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Soldato
Yes he did, just not by the English press, the southern hemisphere press was in absolute uproar with calls of favouritism and home broadcaster manipulation.
Hence my belief, as stated above, that replays in the stadium should be banned unless it is footage being reviewed by the TMO or Referee. Home broadcaster bias is out of the control of World Rugby and this is the only way to stop that with heavy fines and even broadcasting embargoes if those rules are broken.
Where does that buck stop? every penalty, every scrum collapse has to go upstairs? Do you like watching 40 minute halves that take 70? The Referee is the final arbiter of the laws on the pitch and for good or bad he is the one who decisions have to rest with, for the sake of the speed of, and flow of, the game what you suggest can not be allowed to happen. Referees have to have confidence in their ability to interpret play quickly and make big calls when required.
Let's face it, if that penalty had been called in the first minute of the game and Australia had still slotted 3 points they would still have won with the same score (yes, I know that's an over simplification of the pressure the scorboard puts on a team performance
) but would there be all the drama? The time in a game a referee interprets a penalty offence has been committed (rightly or wrongly) should not dictate whether the framework he and his support team are instructed to operate under is ignored.Don't get me wrong, I feel for Scotland but as a lifelong fan, 25 years a player and 3 years as a coach I've seen all the ups and downs this sport can throw at you, it's a hard sport that when it goes wrong you just have to take on the chin and move on, there's always another day and another game.
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Ah, this explains it!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34572066
Craig Joubert needed the bathroom...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34572066
Craig Joubert needed the bathroom...
Soldato
Poor headline clickbait from the BBC
They made the headline a small throw away comment from Bett Gosper which was part of a much bigger statement he made
BBC said:
Much of the actual important parts of his statement the BBC have buried further in.
BBC said:
I really hope the post-game review is in depth and unbiased with genuine outcomes for the future.
Poor headline clickbait from the BBC
They made the headline a small throw away comment from Bett Gosper which was part of a much bigger statement he made
Not really.
Brett Gosper is Australian.
Should the chief executive of rugby union make a comment like this when he said he doesnt know why the ref immediately left the pitch at full time.
If it was the other way around, would he have made this comment.
Soldato
Not really.
Brett Gosper is Australian.
Should the chief executive of rugby union make a comment like this when he said he doesnt know why the ref immediately left the pitch at full time.
If it was the other way around, would he have made this comment.
Regardless of whether he was correct to make the comment, it's not the headline for what the body of his statement contained, the BBC fully understood the clickbaiting it was up to when it set that as it's headline. I fully expect them to change it as now seems to be their modus operandi when the complaints roll in.
How very dare you bring humour into something as ultimately important as ...................................................................................... oh that's right just a game
Brett Gosper knew what he was saying and the headlines it would cause.Maybe he was trying to deflect the refs errors.BBC have indeed changed the headline "may have sensed hostility".Political correctness gone mad.
very dare you bring humour into something as ultimately important as ...................................................................................... oh that's right just a game
Tell that to the scottish players who have trained their ass off for the last three months.This is the biggest stage in rugby union and to be denied a once in a lifetime potential semi-final place at a world cup for a country, due to possibly two big errors from the officials in the match, is hard to take.Not only for the players but supporters too.
Soldato
You have a somewhat skewed opinion there
Makes no difference, It's still just a game
, There is no life and death, no real jeopardy other than a temporary emotional commitment. When you invest any effort of emotion in any sport you get ups and downs, it's a real roller coaster and unfortunately the higher you rise the bigger the dip is on the other side it's why we love it but it still really doesn't matter a whole jot in the greater scheme of life, too many other things to worry about. For the players there's always more chances to pull the boots on (they are, after all, professional and can be somewhat mercenary with it ) so if you want to help them get over it get down and watch your region in the PRO12 and the ERC Cup, as I said in a post further up, the great thing about this sport is there is always another game. Anyway, the con job the Scottish front row was pulling on Joubert in the scrum, Australia should have been out of site on penalties alone
If want a sense of what it's really like to be butthurt try supporting the richest Union in the world, with the best facilities money can buy with a large group of pampered and well looked after thoroughbreds (or donkeys as the case may be
) and they can't even get out of the group of their own World Cup and not even give one single half decent performance When a report has no facts from the source (Brett Osper), the headline doesnt make any difference.Changing the headline is laughable.
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Out of interest, has the late tackle player been cited by the RFU or not?
Is it seen as a late tackle or not by the Rugby authorities?
Is it seen as a late tackle or not by the Rugby authorities?