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Jay85 said:
I believe it was more to do with memory bandwidth and people generally running faster ram speeds with raptor lake where as AMD users seem abit more limited on this part due to the controller? That's what i read anyway but have yet to test it myself. Waiting for 14th gen before i jump on faster memory, 7000+mhz might see a substantial boost in performance.
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But they are still using fast ddr5 for the 7xxx series, and the same speed ddr5 for the 12th and 13th gen intel stuff.

There seems to be some secret sauce beyond memory speed that is giving Raptor Lake a big win here. Combination of clock speed/architecture/l2 cache maybe?

Also, they actually have a memory benchmark in that video, and it didnt make a massive amount of difference (on Raptor Lake at least). I mean, a 10% bump going from ddr4 3800 to ddr5 7200.
 
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MadMossy said:
Just checked out the game on my system, same location as you were, higher resolution (3440x1440p)

Same settings as you posted above, no upscaling/FSR2 etc

Ancient CPU (Ryzen 2700X 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, 3200 isn't stable on my X470 motherboard)
AMD 7900XT

Got 50fps in the exact same spot, even running at lower resolution it doesn't change (tried 2560x1440p and 1920x1080p) so I am heavily CPU/Bandwidth limited, GPU use is ~50%.

For what it's worth if I had a newer CPU like the 7800X3D and DDR5 I'd be pushing over 100fps.
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I made a new thread which looks over a few of the CPU reviews and CPU memory scaling:

Starfield CPU performance reviews

Now a few reviews have come out,I thought it will be useful to have the information in one thread. CPU benchmarks 1.)PCGameshardware(05/09/23) CPUs run at default RAM speeds https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Starfield-Spiel-61756/Specials/cpu-benchmark-requirements-anforderungen-1428119/...
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It does seem very single core limited and looks very similar scaling to what I saw in the Fallout 4 benchmark thread I help run. Intel was much better on average in that game to. Zen3 did poorly in that too!

It also does scale with faster RAM,but not as much as Fallout 4. However,it appears the X3D CPUs,even though they are the best AMD CPUs for the game,seem relatively worse than they did in Fallout 4! :(
 
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Jay85 said:
Am i the only one who hasn't really started the Constellation main quest line yet? I got to meet the UC contact with Sarah and left it at that before i side tracked onto and endless amount of side quests. I'm about 25 hours in and that's all i've been doing lol.
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Without giving any spoilers, it's definitely worth getting started on this. You're not stuck doing the whole questline, you can still go off and do other stuff.
 
Noxia said:
Oh stop it. U k Hun?
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I made a new thread which looks over a few of the CPU reviews and CPU memory scaling:

Starfield CPU performance reviews

Now a few reviews have come out,I thought it will be useful to have the information in one thread. CPU benchmarks 1.)PCGameshardware(05/09/23) CPUs run at default RAM speeds https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Starfield-Spiel-61756/Specials/cpu-benchmark-requirements-anforderungen-1428119/...
forums.overclockers.co.uk forums.overclockers.co.uk

It does seem very single core limited and looks very similar scaling to what I saw in the Fallout 4 benchmark thread I help run. Intel was much better on average in that game to. Zen3 did poorly in that too!

It also does scale with faster RAM,but not as much as Fallout 4. However,it appears the X3D CPUs,even though they are the best AMD CPUs for the game,seem relatively worse than they did in Fallout 4! :(
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Did you see my updated DLSS3.5/FG 100% scaling 1440p ultra results a few pages back?

Not bad for a Bethesda game, all whilst running silent/cool/no gpu fan spin/bugger all power draw at ze wall :) It'll do me for a SP day one game :cry:

Oh and Nick said "that man decided to die!"
 
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I'm tempted to slap a 14700k in my z690 when they come out in a few months and sell my 12700k for one last hoorah on my motherboard.

Seems to me that the 13xxx series gets about 20% more frames for its like for like 12xxx series model, and the raptor lake refresh might push that up even higher to 30% or something.

Hopefully someone will do a starfield cpu test when the 14xxx comes out.
 
Jono8 said:
But they are still using fast ddr5 for the 7xxx series, and the same speed ddr5 for the 12th and 13th gen intel stuff.

There seems to be some secret sauce beyond memory speed that is giving Raptor Lake a big win here. Combination of clock speed/architecture/l2 cache maybe?

Also, they actually have a memory benchmark in that video, and it didnt make a massive amount of difference (on Raptor Lake at least). I mean, a 10% bump going from ddr4 3800 to ddr5 7200.
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Yeah i looked at that too, there is more L3 cache on raptor lake but can that alone really improve it by that much?
 
Jay85 said:
Hmmm that throws what i read out the window then, wonder if timings have any play in that too though.
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I even have a Citrix remote session, outlook and MS teams running in the background during my test

That’s why I would like someone else with similar specs to test. I don’t take reviews like that at face value if I can test for myself. And my test results are much better than theirs.
 
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Jono8 said:
I'm tempted to slap a 14700k in my z690 when they come out in a few months and sell my 12700k for one last hoorah on my motherboard.

Seems to me that the 13xxx series gets about 20% more frames for its like for like 12xxx series model, and the raptor lake refresh might push that up even higher to 30% or something.

Hopefully someone will do a starfield cpu test when the 14xxx comes out.
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Think this is what im gonna do, i will have made proper use of this chipset by then and it will be one of the longest running boards i've used if it can run a 14700k or even a 14900k if Starfield does favour more L3 Cache.
 
Jay85 said:
Think this is what im gonna do, i will have made proper use of this chipset by then and it will be one of the longest running boards i've used if it can run a 14700k or even a 14900k if Starfield does favour more L3 Cache.
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My one concern is that im on a DDR4 board, but from that videos ram scaling benchmarks on raptor lake, it shouldn't hobble me all that much. Kind of wish i bought a ddr5 board, but i need 64gb for other tasks, and i got the build the month alder lake came out when ddr5 memory was absurdly priced! 64gb of fast ddr5 ram in Nov 2021 would have broke me :p.

If i find that ddr4 will hobble the 14700 too much i'll perhaps wait till late 2024 and whatever new socket is out.
 
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Jono8 said:
My one concern is that im on a DDR4 board, but from that videos ram scaling benchmarks on raptor lake, it shouldn't hobble me all that much. Kind of wish i bought a ddr5 board, but i need 64gb for other tasks, and i got the build the month alder lake came out when ddr5 memory was absurdly priced! 64gb of fast ddr5 ram in Nov 2021 would have broke me :p.

If i find that ddr4 will hobble the 14700 too much i'll perhaps wait till late 2024 and whatever new socket is out.
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Might be more worth it now though, DDR5 has come down a lot since last year when i first bought into it. 7000+ kits are sub £200 in some places i think from what i've seen plus a DDR5 board won't be that much if you upgrade and sell your old stuff to cover some of it.
 
mrk said:
The modders will be able to add the physics for all of that anyway now that the script extensions mod base is out, only for Steam version though.

I really hope someone mods in moon buggies or other vehicles to doss about in.
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Same, some of the places you have to run to are quite far. I'd rather drive to somewhere rather than teleport if i could, keeps the immersion going.
 
Jay85 said:
Might be more worth it now though, DDR5 has come down a lot since last year when i first bought into it. 7000+ kits are sub £200 in some places i think from what i've seen plus a DDR5 board won't be that much if you upgrade and sell your old stuff to cover some of it.
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Na, if i have to do a full board and ram swap, i will just wait till arrow lake/Zen 5. I can't be bothered to change everything and be stuck on a redundant socket (if i go intel at least).
 
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montymint said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm upgrading it, but only the upgrades for the same engine class etc.
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I really want to build a speedy ship specifically for taking out larger ships. Just dont have the funds for it yet. Something with a big reactor to power a ton of engines, light weight and mainly lasers on rapid fire.

Dont see the point of ballistic weapons in space at the moment as lasers can equal it quite easily.
 
Jono8 said:
I'm tempted to slap a 14700k in my z690 when they come out in a few months and sell my 12700k for one last hoorah on my motherboard.

Seems to me that the 13xxx series gets about 20% more frames for its like for like 12xxx series model, and the raptor lake refresh might push that up even higher to 30% or something.

Hopefully someone will do a starfield cpu test when the 14xxx comes out.
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Don't do anything until the big patch arrives, the CPU performance variations are whacky and not aligned with other games. Seems silly to spend money on HW just for one game's obvious optimisation bugs!

I'm staying with my 12700KF and 4090 combo, if you want more stable frames then bump up the GPU if anything as you will see the gains in /everything/, as opposed to just working around one game engine's technical quirks. For ref, DDR4 3600 here and on this CPU, all other games fly through high fps, as does this too really. FSR/DLSS on or off makes little difference to average fps due to the engine being flawed, so brute forcing framerates is what's happening here at the high end, whilst the mid end use frame gen.
 
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