The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Rroff said:
Yes.
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First person is black!

Rroff said:
That isn't the [big] problem with it - the problem was the ad accusing a certain group, specifying towards a certain white male demographic, of being naturally and fundamentally a certain way and could only do better by being educated, or stopped from their behaviours by another groups of people. It was very small minded, agenda lead rather than constructive towards tackling a very real problem.

Though it certainly would not have gone down well the other way around.
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cu3ed said:
Ahhh you think Investor is a founder, its...its not.
He was NOT a founder of Tesla, he tried to rewrite what actually happenned.
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How are you not able to understand the following?
dowie said:
It's not a belief it's just fact he didn't initially found Tesla, he is however considered a co-founder. It's not something I'm choosing to believe, it's a fact I'm presenting you with, he was the main investor, he has cofounder status and realistically he's the one who made it what it is today.
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Ahleckz said:
Ok. Good talk! Can’t explain why a message about calling out sexual harassment upset you so much but you were so upset you boycotted them and then some weird thing about your job. But if you are calling out sexual harassment in your workplace and making your job a welcoming place that’s good. Not sure what the relevance is though.
I think we will have to leave this here…
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My job is relevant because see my edit:

Rroff said:
EDIT: It isn't just about a miniscule amount of people though and that is where one of the biggest issues is - there are a relatively small number of people where it is "guilty" behaviours but a larger number of people can innocently carry out unthought behaviours which can cause a problem - which is why careful raising of awareness is key.
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This is something I deal with in the real world on an almost daily basis.
 
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dowie said:
How are you not able to understand the following?
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He wasnt a founder, it was founded in 2003, by Martin Eberhard & Marc Tappenning?....Musk came later INVESTING to the already founded company.

So everything you have posted cannot be believed now when you get such a fundamental "absolute fact" you say is just wrong.
 
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Rroff said:
EDIT: It isn't just about a miniscule amount of people though and that is where one of the biggest issues is - there are a relatively small number of people where it is "guilty" behaviours but a larger number of people can innocently carry out unthought behaviours which can cause a problem - which is why careful raising of awareness is key.
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That is what the ad is about.
 
Tony Edwards said:
lol yes.
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Anyone who took offense at that should be having a word with themselves.
I guess for some it hit a nerve, those I can understand having to move away from Gillette to avoid being reminded.

I saw a load of males acting alpha, the ones stopping the stuff that shouldn't happen.
Again I can see why some wouldn't like it, as it doesn't match their definition of alpha, Trump stylee.

I was expecting it to be some actual alpha males being shown up by the blue hair brigade or something.
 
cu3ed said:
He wasnt a founder, it was founded in 2003, by Martin Eberhard & Marc Tappenning?....Musk came later INVESTING to the already founded company.

So everything you have posted cannot be believed now when you get such a fundamental "absolute fact" you say is just wrong.
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What fact have I got wrong here? Try reading again:
dowie said:
It's not a belief it's just fact he didn't initially found Tesla, he is however considered a co-founder. It's not something I'm choosing to believe, it's a fact I'm presenting you with, he was the main investor, he has cofounder status and realistically he's the one who made it what it is today.
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Rroff said:
Not many people boycotted Gillette because of a suggestion men should call out sexual harassment (though no doubt there were some) and in fact the ad was highly damaging towards that end. I'm concerned for people who can't see how wrong that ad was, can't see why people would call it out, and how wrong tarnishing with a broad brush is whatever side of the fence* that is, or would use the situation to try and get a raise out of people.


* Which in itself is a problem.
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I disagree. Calling out sexual harassment is something all men need to do, because the people that are actually guilty of things like sexual harassment sure as hell aren't listening when women say it. I've just watched the ad again to refresh my memory and there's no part of it that even suggests that all men are a problem.
 
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