The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[Ahleckz]

Eh? that is a misconception itself...

End of the day I'm not an expert but it is something I deal with a lot in the real world at work, where we have a lot of material and campaigns, etc. on the subject and the ad is not at all helpful in the real world.

Unfortunately it is hard to tell who is being serious and who thinks this is something to use to get a raise out of people online.

maybe it would be relevant to say what you did at work? You keep mentioning it like it has relevance but I’m not sure what it is.
Why do you feel the message in the ad wasn’t helpful?
As usual, you’re saying lots but not actually saying anything.

No one is using this to get a raise out of people. We’re just wondering why some felt the need to boycott a company because they suggested we should do better and call out sexual assault and bullying when they see it.
This weird accusation that people are trying to get a raise out of others is completely in your head.

I ask again, why did you boycott the product because the company suggested people do better and call out sexual assault and bullying?

 

[dowie]

I love how you put it down like Musk saved the company they where getting good funding. Stop making it sound like it wouldn't have done well without him
Musk is a paper founder, he was there in the ideas foundation thought process or, no one with any sensibility seems him as a founder.

OK, so what had the company created or invented before Musk arrived? What great things had been achieved that you think he's retrospectively claiming credit for?

Back in reality Tesla only started becoming a bit intertesting in like 2009.

 

[Rroff]

maybe it would be relevant to say what you did at work? You keep mentioning it like it has relevance but I’m not sure what it is.
No one is using this to get a raise out of people. We’re just wondering why some felt the need to boycott a company because they suggested we should do better and call out sexual assault and bullying when they see it.
This weird accusation that people are trying to get a raise out of others is completely in your head.

I ask again, why did you boycott the product because the company suggested people do better and call out sexual assault and bullying?

I'm a night shift supervisor covering the duty manager role out of hours for a warehouse - dealing with and being aware of this kind of stuff is part of any role leading people. Stuff like this is an ongoing problem and something many work places try to tackle (usually in a much better way than this ad).

Just because there are themes about sexual harassment, etc. in the ad doesn't mean that is all there is to the ad or that it goes about those issues in the right way.

You don't exactly help in convincing you aren't just trying to get a raise out of people when your replies are laced with baiting and snide belittling of people.

 

[Craterloads]

I haven't said the person shouldnt be banned.

In your example I'd give them a temporary ban for doing a number 2 in the house i.e. for a month.

If they came back after a month the ban would go to 6 months.

If they came back again and did the same again it would be 12 months etc. Doubling each time.

In my experience people rarely come back after a second ban. But if they did they would get a 3rd, 4th etc bans.

In Trumps case if he did another violation of the Twitter rules then it would be up to Musk if he wants to consider this Trumps 1st or 2nd offence.

Hold up

If someone (adult) took a dump in your lounge onto the lounge carpet even after you telling them that is not ok, you would just ban them from entering your home for a month?

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Yeah cofounder isn't what the normal dictionary definition of a founder is.

What is a co-founder? What does it mean and why is it important?

Co-founders are the people involved in the initial launch of a startup company. Anyone can be a co-founder, and a co-founder doesn’t necessarily have to have been there from the inception, although that is usually the case.

www.linkedin.com

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I haven't said the person shouldnt be banned.

In your example I'd give them a temporary ban for doing a number 2 in the house i.e. for a month.

If they came back after a month the ban would go to 6 months.

If they came back again and did the same again it would be 12 months etc. Doubling each time.

In my experience people rarely come back after a second ban. But if they did they would get a 3rd, 4th etc bans.

In Trumps case if he did another violation of the Twitter rules then it would be up to Musk if he wants to consider this Trumps 1st or 2nd offence.

I take it you would object to publicans, shops, clubs etc that ban people for being anti social as well then?

 

[Rroff]

Yeah cofounder isn't what the normal dictionary definition of a founder is.

What is a co-founder? What does it mean and why is it important?

Co-founders are the people involved in the initial launch of a startup company. Anyone can be a co-founder, and a co-founder doesn’t necessarily have to have been there from the inception, although that is usually the case.

www.linkedin.com

Always going to be a tricky one as businesses can go through many different stages of evolution and that can look different to different people.

 

[GarethSouthgate]

It is also about bullying. The first person being bullied is a white child. The last poignant message is 'because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow'.

It should have said 'the fragile man-babies watching it will be grumpy old man-babies of tomorrow'.

Ironically, isn't boycotting a form of activism?

 

[dlockers]

Hold up

If someone (adult) took a dump in your lounge onto the lounge carpet even after you telling them that is not ok, you would just ban them from entering your home for a month?

Depends, was the dump cofounded or was there an offensive-to-white-men advertisement playing?

 

[GarethSouthgate]

Depends, was the dump cofounded or was there an offensive-to-white-men advertisement playing?

Also, was the dump brown or yellow?

 

[dlockers]

Also, was the dump brown or yellow?

Great, now you've resurrected the bidet rage thread and how folk with bidets are appropriating culture.

 

[Ahleckz]

I'm a night shift supervisor covering the duty manager role out of hours for a warehouse - dealing with and being aware of this kind of stuff is part of any role leading people. Stuff like this is an ongoing problem and something many work places try to tackle (usually in a much better way than this ad).

Just because there are themes about sexual harassment, etc. in the ad doesn't mean that is all there is to the ad or that it goes about those issues in the right way.

You don't exactly help in convincing you aren't just trying to get a raise out of people when your replies are laced with baiting and snide belittling of people.

No belittling and baiting here. I’m just trying to figure out why you got so upset over an advert that you decided to boycott a razor but are completely unable to explain why you did that.

I’ll try again though. How is this advert a bad thing for preventing sexual harassment and bullying?
Why did you boycott razors because of it?
I’ll add another question, what was the ad about then if it wasn’t about what it seemed to be about?

I assumed you were either in advertising and could tell us what the message was about based on your experience. Or perhaps worked with survivors of sexual assault.

 

[dowie]

Yeah cofounder isn't what the normal dictionary definition of a founder is.

What is a co-founder? What does it mean and why is it important?

Co-founders are the people involved in the initial launch of a startup company. Anyone can be a co-founder, and a co-founder doesn’t necessarily have to have been there from the inception, although that is usually the case.

www.linkedin.com

Exactly, and in this case, the entity Tesla was set up in July 2003, with two founders, the other three people considered cofounders all joined within a year, the third employee was hired in Feb 2004 (he's now considered a cofounder) along with Musk who became Chairman then and the fifth cofounder joined in May 2004 as Chief Technical Officer.

Did the two original founders achieve some great things in the 7 months between July 2003 and Feb 2004 when Elon and Wright joined the company? @cu3ed is yet to answer...

The people pointing out that Musk ackchually didn't found Tesla originally are acting like he's taking credit for some invention or IP something yet Tesla didn't have a product back then, Musk came in with the finance and it seems like Musk and the other two later cofounders have made a far bigger contribution since then than the original two.

 

[Rroff]

No belittling and baiting here. I’m just trying to figure out why you got so upset over an advert that you decided to boycott a razor but are completely unable to explain why you did that.

I’ll try again though. How is this advert a bad thing for preventing sexual harassment and bullying?
Why did you boycott razors because of it?
I’ll add another question, what was the ad about then if it wasn’t about what it seemed to be about?

I assumed you were either in advertising and could tell us what the message was about based on your experience. Or perhaps worked with survivors of sexual assault.

I'm not "so upset" we aren't going to have a constructive conversation before you get that little notion out of your head.

 

[Ahleckz]

I'm not "so upset" we aren't going to have a constructive conversation before you get that little notion out of your head.

Why did you boycott it then?
Just answer the questions put to you. This isn’t difficult, I’m not trying to catch you out. I’m generally interested.

To remind you, questions are:
How is this advert a bad thing for preventing sexual harassment and bullying?
Why did you boycott razors because of it?
I’ll add another question, what was the ad about then if it wasn’t about what it seemed to be about?

“Little notion out of your head”. If that isn’t belittling and baiting I don’t know what is. Pot kettle black.

 

[Harlequin]

Musk`s first role within Tesla was related to the Roadster

Review: A deep new history of Tesla takes the shine off Elon Musk

The polarizing founder shows up a lot in 'Power Play,' Tim Higgins' Tesla history — but usually in the role of a dramatic foil who will be overtaken.

www.latimes.com

However after a further 3 rounds of funding, Musk was far and away the lead investor in Tesla , and the rest is history.

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Eberhards idea was to mass produce the tzero, which both he and then Musk loved, but it was Musk who was the driving force behind the project

edit:

Short answer is that no, tesla wernt actually buidling anything *yet*, the first project was to convert the tzero from lead acid to lithium batteries

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Always going to be a tricky one as businesses can go through many different stages of evolution and that can look different to different people.

Yep.

Its just pretty typical that the definition can be different to the dictionary one.

I think the majority of founders start at the start of a business and just being there doesn't mean your a founder either.
Its more unusual to end up being considered a founder later, but its not unforseeble that a small business that never really gets past the forming / design stage and into production could see someone who joins somewhat later as a founder who brings significant capital and/or expertise.

I dont think anyone is going to end up getting themselves considered as a founder in a business that is already manufacturing. But never say never

 

[GGizmo]

I take it you would object to publicans, shops, clubs etc that ban people for being anti social as well then?

The conversation was about the length of bans.

I'd still ban people. Just not permanently.

This was a normal opinion a couple of decades ago.

Now people want to destroy others forever.

 

[GGizmo]

Hold up

If someone (adult) took a dump in your lounge onto the lounge carpet even after you telling them that is not ok, you would just ban them from entering your home for a month?

If you dumped in someones house would you want to come back to the scene of the crime?

 

[Tony Edwards]

If you dumped in someones house would you want to come back to the scene of the crime?

If I was the type of person that does things like that, more than likely.