The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[Jono8]

Of course.

My answer was in the first line of my reply.

Then i don't understand why you think no real person should be permanently banned from a platform.

For example, like most households a general (but actually unwritten) rule in my house would be that no humans are allowed to defecate on the lounge carpet. If someone was to ask me if they were allowed to do so, I would say no and that it is against the rules of my house.

If someone who I invited into my home repeatedly goes no.2 on my lounge carpet, even after maybe i let them off with a warning the first time (maybe i had not actually told them they were not allowed to do this in the first instance), should I not be allowed to ban them from ever setting foot in my house again?

What i am getting at, is that people like Trump are the sort of people who are repeatedly going for a poo on other people's carpets even when they know it is against the rules.

 

[cu3ed]

What fact have I got wrong here? Try reading again:

dowie said:
It's not a belief it's just fact he didn't initially found Tesla, he is however considered a co-founder.

Are YOU reading it? lol

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

@Tony Edwards if there was an advert about crime and it showed a black man in the advert, you wouldn't see an issue with it?

It didnt seem out of balance to me, someone has to go first right.
Imagine the first guy was white, how many people would object to that as well.

Should have started with one of them blue people*

*NO I do not mean a Scot!

 

[dowie]

dowie said:
It's not a belief it's just fact he didn't initially found Tesla, he is however considered a co-founder.

Are YOU reading it? lol

Those things are both true. Again, I've pointed out basic facts to you and you seem to be struggling.

 

[Harlequin]

He wasnt a founder, it was founded in 2003, by Martin Eberhard & Marc Tappenning?....Musk came later INVESTING to the already founded company.

So everything you have posted cannot be believed now when you get such a fundamental "absolute fact" you say is just wrong.

Musk sued in 2009 to be called a co-founder :

Tesla Motors founders: Now there are five

Ousted Tesla CEO Martin Eberhard, who sued Tesla, arrives at a resolution with the company over who can claim the "co-founder" title at the electric vehicle maker.

www.cnet.com

 

[Tony Edwards]

I disagree. Calling out sexual harassment is something all men need to do, because the people that are actually guilty of things like sexual harassment sure as hell aren't listening when women say it. I've just watched the ad again to refresh my memory and there's no part of it that even suggests that all men are a problem.

It is also about bullying. The first person being bullied is a white child. The last poignant message is 'because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow'.

 

[Rroff]

I disagree. Calling out sexual harassment is something all men need to do, because the people that are actually guilty of things like sexual harassment sure as hell aren't listening when women say it. I've just watched the ad again to refresh my memory and there's no part of it that even suggests that all men are a problem.

Yes it is something we should be talking about, but not in the way the ad tries to approach it. It seems some people can only see the ad in a kind of glossed over way as if seeing the themes from a distance - there is a lot going on in the messaging of the ad which is not helpful and the producer even admitted to intentionally going for that approach later.

It is also about bullying. The first person being bullied is a white child. The last poignant message is 'because the boys watching today will be the men of tomorrow'.

That scene isn't just in the ad in isolation though - it is part of a bigger message the ad pushes. Many parts of the ad in isolation aren't a problem.

 

[dowie]

Musk sued in 2009 to be called a co-founder :

Tesla Motors founders: Now there are five

Ousted Tesla CEO Martin Eberhard, who sued Tesla, arrives at a resolution with the company over who can claim the "co-founder" title at the electric vehicle maker.

www.cnet.com

Other way around, the ousted CEO sued and then settled. Basically Musk was interested in Electric cars so he bought into a small electric car startup that was commercialising the AC propulsion concept car.

Tesla CEO responds to lawsuit from former CEO

Current Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk responds in lengthy blog to lawsuit filed against himself and company by former CEO Martin Eberhard.

www.cnet.com

Musk writes: "The facts are that when I requested through AC Propulsion to meet Eberhard, he had no technology of his own, he did not have a prototype car and he owned no intellectual property relating to electric cars. All he had was a business plan to commercialize the AC Propulsion Tzero electric sports car concept. Three years later, when Eberhard was asked to leave Tesla, most of the work that he had been paid to do had to be redone."

It's not like there was some great invention Musk is taking credit for, he simply bought into a small company and then used that to create the company we know as Tesla today.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Yes it is something we should be talking about, but not in the way the ad tries to approach it. It seems some people can only see the ad in a kind of glossed over way as if seeing the themes from a distance - there is a lot going on in the messaging of the ad which is not helpful and the producer even admitted to intentionally going for that approach later.



That scene isn't just in the ad in isolation though - it is part of a bigger message the ad pushes. Many parts of the ad in isolation aren't a problem.

I dont understand. It isnt the ad that is the problem it is the misconception of it?

 

[Tony Edwards]

@Tony Edwards if there was an advert about crime and it showed a black man in the advert, you wouldn't see an issue with it?

What is wrong with you?

 

[dowie]

@Tony Edwards if there was an advert about crime and it showed a black man in the advert, you wouldn't see an issue with it?

I think you've got your answer.

 

[dowie]

Looks like Project Veritas is back:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594506629273321472

 

[StriderX]

Eh????

Elon is now coming across as an arse because he's *not* let Alex Jones back on Twitter and has cited the death of his own child in his explanation?

Some of you guys need to take a step back from the Spaceship man bad stuff, reflexively criticising literally everything he does simply because he's Elon is likely to get pretty silly pretty quickly, it was a bit silly at times with Trump though at least he was doing dumb stuff the vast majority of the time, it's especially silly though with someone like Elon.

Whilst I agree with Musk on keeping Jones off the platform I do have to make the argument that his personal feelings (which I think are valid) getting in the way of business doesn't bode well and it clearly creates caveats to speech that aren't based on anything rational but whatever he wants it to be.

 

[cu3ed]

Musk sued in 2009 to be called a co-founder :

Tesla Motors founders: Now there are five

Ousted Tesla CEO Martin Eberhard, who sued Tesla, arrives at a resolution with the company over who can claim the "co-founder" title at the electric vehicle maker.

www.cnet.com

Yes..he HAD to threaten with legal action, cause ya know..he was an investor, and not close to being a founder.
No one with a brain would actually see an established company already running with some one later coming in with money and think "founder" hes an investor, thats it.

 

[VincentHanna]

Yes..he HAD to threaten with legal action, cause ya know..he was an investor, and not close to being a founder.
No one with a brain would actually see an established company already running with some one later coming in with money and think "founder" hes an investor, thats it.

Dowie will now take the legal definition though, rather than the common sense one.

 

[Rroff]

I dont understand. It isnt the ad that is the problem it is the misconception of it?

Eh? that is a misconception itself...

End of the day I'm not an expert but it is something I deal with a lot in the real world at work, where we have a lot of material and campaigns, etc. on the subject and the ad is not at all helpful in the real world.

Unfortunately it is hard to tell who is being serious and who thinks this is something to use to get a raise out of people online.

 

[dowie]

Yes..he HAD to threaten with legal action, cause ya know..he was an investor, and not close to being a founder.
No one with a brain would actually see an established company already running with some one later coming in with money and think "founder" hes an investor, thats it.

You've managed to get that backwards, it was the outsted CEO who pursued legal action.

Elon is Tesla's CEO, he's literally the main person responsible for its success today, he's not just an investor he built it up from a small company that was trying to build some prototype based on IP it didn't own into currently the main electric car company in the world.... it's pushed the progress of electric cars forward significantly.

And yes, he's a cofounder, whether you like it or not.

 

[GGizmo]

Then i don't understand why you think no real person should be permanently banned from a platform.

For example, like most households a general (but actually unwritten) rule in my house would be that no humans are allowed to defecate on the lounge carpet. If someone was to ask me if they were allowed to do so, I would say no and that it is against the rules of my house.

If someone who I invited into my home repeatedly goes no.2 on my lounge carpet, even after maybe i let them off with a warning the first time (maybe i had not actually told them they were not allowed to do this in the first instance), should I not be allowed to ban them from ever setting foot in my house again?

What i am getting at, is that people like Trump are the sort of people who are repeatedly going for a poo on other people's carpets even when they know it is against the rules.

I haven't said the person shouldnt be banned.

In your example I'd give them a temporary ban for doing a number 2 in the house i.e. for a month.

If they came back after a month the ban would go to 6 months.

If they came back again and did the same again it would be 12 months etc. Doubling each time.

In my experience people rarely come back after a second ban. But if they did they would get a 3rd, 4th etc bans.

In Trumps case if he did another violation of the Twitter rules then it would be up to Musk if he wants to consider this Trumps 1st or 2nd offence.

 

[cu3ed]

You've managed to get that backwards, it was the outsted CEO who pursued legal action.

Elon is Tesla's CEO, he's literally the main person responsible for its success today, he's not just an investor he built it up from a small company that was trying to build some prototype based on IP it didn't own into currently the main electric car company in the world.... it's pushed the progress of electric cars forward significantly.

And yes, he's a cofounder, whether you like it or not.

I love how you put it down like Musk saved the company they where getting good funding. Stop making it sound like it wouldn't have done well without him
Musk is a paper founder, he was there in the ideas foundation thought process or, no one with any sensibility seems him as a founder.

 

[dowie]

Dowie will now take the legal definition though, rather than the common sense one.

Dowie will now? How about Dowie was already aware of this and literally pointed it out several posts back for people who were paying attention:

It's not a belief it's just fact he didn't initially found Tesla, he is however considered a co-founder. It's not something I'm choosing to believe, it's a fact I'm presenting you with, he was the main investor, he has cofounder status and realistically he's the one who made it what it is today.

Cofounder status doesn't necessarily just get given to whomever initially set up and owned some legal entity.

I think it's common sense that Elon (and Straubel) are considered cofounders here, what was Tesla beforehand? Didn't have a product and didn't have any IP, it was simply a small company trying to build a commercial version of another company's product.