Caporegime
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That's what top businessmen do - Overpay for things and run them in to the ground.
Then blame woke viruses.
Then blame woke viruses.
The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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Caporegime
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Funny, because i'm pretty sure the founding fathers put the right to free speech in to law, well before capitalism became the driving force of America.
It has never been about "free speech" anyway, because Elon and his supporters (along with many in this thread) do not understand the concept of it. Even when continually shown that they are wrong, they still believe that being censored on Twitter is something to do with it (it is not).
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But Musk is offering an amnesty for people who were suspended for some of that behaviour, because he's not satisfied that it was in breach of the ToS.
Given twitters previous moderation team were suspending/banning accounts for highly subjective statements such as saying a man cant be a woman (amongst many other valid reasons), then an 'amnesty' of sorts for everyone was fine imo, 2nd chance and all that. For folks that were suspended/banned for valid reasons to then carry on tweeting in the same manner and not to be expected to be cracked down on is pretty silly.
I may be wrong but I think you said you were originally suspended for the same thing so this one probably wasn't a surprise/
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Yup, I think people like DP are either ignorant or wilfully ignoring that some of the past suspensions have been either purely ideological or for trivial things like upsetting journalists:
Yes, You Can Get Kicked Off Twitter for Saying 'Learn To Code'—Even If It's Not Harassment
"I'm more confused than angry about all of this."
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The problem with free speech is that its not free at all. Its not something that everyone is allowed and everyone else doesn't punish for no reason.
I couldn't say half my views on things in certain places because I would potentially be accused of a hate crime or I could lose my livelihood because a militant faction decides that what I have said goes against their beliefs. This ******** idea that "words have consequences" and thats a marvellous thing is completely wrong. That would work if people were rational, kind beings but they are not. Companies will fire people for saying something that they 100% believe in but would result in a public lynching via twitter. They won't say things they believe in because it would cost them their business or huge amounts of money potentially. The world is completely ****** up place where a company that uses child labour and does untold damage to the environment has to worry more about saying the wrong thing about trans people than they do about killing people in third world countries.
There is far too much group-think and mob-rule these days and its very much making free speech not even slightly free.
I believe that you can vote with your wallet or discuss things with people but I am completely against the browbeating and social pressure put on people to conform to completely bizarre views because a very vocal minority have a disproportionate power to bully people.
I couldn't say half my views on things in certain places because I would potentially be accused of a hate crime or I could lose my livelihood because a militant faction decides that what I have said goes against their beliefs. This ******** idea that "words have consequences" and thats a marvellous thing is completely wrong. That would work if people were rational, kind beings but they are not. Companies will fire people for saying something that they 100% believe in but would result in a public lynching via twitter. They won't say things they believe in because it would cost them their business or huge amounts of money potentially. The world is completely ****** up place where a company that uses child labour and does untold damage to the environment has to worry more about saying the wrong thing about trans people than they do about killing people in third world countries.
There is far too much group-think and mob-rule these days and its very much making free speech not even slightly free.
I believe that you can vote with your wallet or discuss things with people but I am completely against the browbeating and social pressure put on people to conform to completely bizarre views because a very vocal minority have a disproportionate power to bully people.
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Some people have a hard time realising that their worldview isn't actually in tune with the rest of the country/world. You only have to look back to the discussion earlier in the thread where people were claiming they were 'moderate' and it was actually the kids who were out of touch to see that.
Edit: I think a lot of people spend too much time on OCUK, where the demographics are heavily skewed towards middle-aged, moderately wealthy white males. They perhaps forget what the world is like outside of their bubble.
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So on one hand you have people who don't care what people do, how they live their lives and just get on with things and on the other side you have the extremes who spend far too much of their times howling about injustice and hate crime on twitter. Who do you think is the one who has a disproportionate power in the social media space.
The vast majority of people don't do twitter or facebook. They don't spend their spare time professing their outrage that someone used the wrong pronoun or didn't believe that trans-women were the same as biological women.
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Twitter is now suspending people for *checks notes* stating literal facts.
Despite what is claimed in the quoted tweet, Morales absolutely did not prove his innocence, is still very much alive, and continues to harass women on Twitter using two different profiles.
Welcome to the brave new era of free speech under Elon Musk!
Despite what is claimed in the quoted tweet, Morales absolutely did not prove his innocence, is still very much alive, and continues to harass women on Twitter using two different profiles.
Welcome to the brave new era of free speech under Elon Musk!
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Then why does it bother you then?
If it is just a small fringe of people on social media saying things, why does that matter?
You are also clearly taking an extremely one sided view even now. Why not mention the people that spend their spare time professing their outrage about people who are simply gay and saying outrageous things about them being eternally damned/deserving of death for not being Christian?
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My account status has now been further downgraded from 'suspended' to 'locked.'
It's political correctness gone mad!
It's political correctness gone mad!
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Because those people have a disproportionate power to change things. I didn't think I needed to touch on both sides of this because thats not what we were talking about. There are extremes at both ends. Both of which are very bad. Happy?
And in the UK certainly, I don't think there are many Christians that do this and no one listens to them or takes any notice of them. I would go so far as to say that if you want your views to be completely ignored in the UK you couldn't do much better than being white, straight and christian.
Then you need to dig deep and understand WHY that is.
It is because of the free market. The reason you and others perceive bias on social media, is because your ideas and thoughts are likely not welcome aside most company's advertisements.
The reason for that, is because your ideas are not popular with their customer base.
If you do not like that, no one is forcing you to use Twitter.
Twitter is not the government. It is a company that needs to make money.
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My account status has now been further downgraded from 'suspended' to 'locked.'
It's political correctness gone mad!
Poor Elon. You hurt his feelings.
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A lot to unpack
I've also seen the compilations of all the Dems denying the 2016 election, or calling for violence to know that it's not as one sided as it's painted, should we ban every Dem that said the 2016 electrion was stolen? Or everyone that called for violence? Of course not.
Musk is naive and I certainly criticise him for this, thinking that actually ensuring Hate speech and toxicity on the platfom was really what people and therefore advertisers wanted, and no matter what the data shows, or what he did/does to try to maintain that would make no difference.. Literally the noisy minority rule what a lot of advertisers do, not based on facts , but feelings.
Hence my statement, Musk discussed his plans for being less reliant on advertising and to generate new revenue streams around Twitter Blue and other services because it could never work in it's current guise for all the reasons known about before the purchase, he needs to focus on those plans.
I've stated all along I don't think Twitter could ever be saved, It's always been a cesspit, it literally couldn't survive on advertising before, and didn't have any form of sustainable business model and with Musk taking over would absolutely always be attacked by the progressives (hence all the crying and the lobbying based on feels)..
I'd say my view of reality is fine thanks, I'm not over reacting to every twitter minute by minute drama.. I've been consistent in sharing the obviously negative long term outlook of twitter.
Your posting style isn't civil, I suspect that's the issue if people are reporting you, I don't mind personally, acting like that is childish but so what.. it just undermines your arguments more than it helps them IMO, so I'd be fine if you carried on.
Simply, as long as he's being civil enough to not violate the T&Cs, then the law is what should dictate this. I'm absolutely fine if he's convicted of said crimes, good riddance, but to literally take what is a load of politically influenced views on the situation at this point is exactly the issue IMO. Your example of the scenario of Trump calling for jews to be killed is perfect, that contravenes Twitters T&C's so immediate ban, it's also illegal and would lead to a prosection.. which is exactly my point, but in your world you probably do think of Trump already being at that level and I'm not hear to change your mind, I'm just saying that unless Trump does this openly on Twitter, then lets wait for the the courts to decide.
I've also seen the compilations of all the Dems denying the 2016 election, or calling for violence to know that it's not as one sided as it's painted, should we ban every Dem that said the 2016 electrion was stolen? Or everyone that called for violence? Of course not.
People with low IQ will absolutely see that advertisers will rightly go and twitter will die.. Musk knew this back in April (e.g.), he knew Twitter could not survive if it was heavily dependent on advertising.. every man and his dog knows this.
Musk is naive and I certainly criticise him for this, thinking that actually ensuring Hate speech and toxicity on the platfom was really what people and therefore advertisers wanted, and no matter what the data shows, or what he did/does to try to maintain that would make no difference.. Literally the noisy minority rule what a lot of advertisers do, not based on facts , but feelings.
Hence my statement, Musk discussed his plans for being less reliant on advertising and to generate new revenue streams around Twitter Blue and other services because it could never work in it's current guise for all the reasons known about before the purchase, he needs to focus on those plans.
I've stated all along I don't think Twitter could ever be saved, It's always been a cesspit, it literally couldn't survive on advertising before, and didn't have any form of sustainable business model and with Musk taking over would absolutely always be attacked by the progressives (hence all the crying and the lobbying based on feels)..
I'd say my view of reality is fine thanks, I'm not over reacting to every twitter minute by minute drama.. I've been consistent in sharing the obviously negative long term outlook of twitter.
You do realise there is the concept of free speech that is separate from the one that exists in the American constitution? Most reasonable people understand that social media platforms have become the main way of communication in our society, simply the fact they're in private hands doesn't mean that we should be perfectly happy to have one sides views censored and another not, that's a ridiculous idea. Then because technology companies are so intertwined and politically aligned even if you try to build a new platform they launch all sorts of attacks on you like removing your app from their stores and devices, now we're at the point where someone actually bought a platform and the attacks come in the form of advertisers suddenly withdrawing funding despite no actual changes to policy and Apple threatening to remove the app from their store. I think it's insane that people are actively seeking a platform that bans speech, literally begging to be censored and held in captivity like the Chinese population.
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