The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[unwashed potato!]

people who say there should be absolute freedom of speech are just dreaming and those people include Elon

Not just that, the same people are the ones who on one post cry about freedom of speech, and then go report another post to have it removed and silenced because they were called tiger. That is their views on freedom of speech.

 

[dowie]

Claiming Elon isn’t right wing because of his voting records like saying Trump isn’t for the same reason.

What voting records? The US runs a secret ballot, there are only Elon's claims to go on there. There is plenty to suggest Trump is right-wing; (his policies and actions for a start) that seems like quite a silly comparison, Trump has previously been a democrat but was a registered Republican for several years before running for President.

"I'm so very smart so I see all sorts of context and nuance in things that you just can't see"

In this case, the context was literally spelled out for you in the tweets... it's pretty basic. Also...

Exactly.

There is a "like" button btw. you don't need to quote an entire tweet just to reply with "exactly"; you could just click on the "like" button instead.

 

[Raymond Lin]

What voting records? The US runs a secret ballot, there are only Elon's claims to go on there. There is plenty to suggest Trump is right-wing; (his policies and actions for a start) that seems like quite a silly comparison, Trump has previously been a democrat but was a registered Republican for several years before running for President.



In this case, the context was literally spelled out for you in the tweets... it's pretty basic. Also...



There is a "like" button btw. you don't need to quote an entire tweet just to reply with "exactly"; you could just click on the "like" button instead.

Voting record like you claiming Elon voted Democrats in the past. Oh wait, you can't prove it either?

We are both basing it on what they have said in the past, not actual voting slip, stop trying to move the goal post and talk about "secret ballot". You are doing it again.

 

[dowie]

Voting record like you claiming Elon voted Democrats in the past. Oh wait, you can't prove it either?

I referred to his claim and I can prove it as I can simply quote him on it!

This is again Jono trying to act like Elon is some right-wing guy when he's clearly a moderate, has mostly donated to democrats, is an independent and has claimed to have always voted democrat till now.

We are both basing it on what they have said in the past, not actual voting slip, stop trying to move the goal post and talk about "secret ballot". You are doing it again.

I've not moved any goal posts, Trump was literally a Republican president after being a paid-up memeber of the Republican party for a few years prior, are you insane?

 

[Raymond Lin]

I referred to his claim and I can prove it as I can simply quote him on it!





I've not moved any goal posts, Trump was literally a Republican president after being a paid-up memeber of the Republican party for a few years prior, are you insane?

Trump was a registered democrats as recent as the 2000's.

Was Donald Trump Really a Democrat?

Long before the ultrawealthy real-estate magnate Donald Trump won the 2016 election as the Republican nominee, he was a Democrat.

www.thoughtco.com

"When Donald Trump Was a Democrat
It turns out you don't have to look far to find evidence that Trump wasn't always a conservative Republican. Trump was registered as a Democrat for more than eight years in the 2000s, according to New York City voter records made public during his 2016 campaign for president.

Trump owned up to his years with the other party and told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in 2004 that he identified with Democrats during that time because they were more adept at handling the economy:

"It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats....But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans."

Trump was a registered Democrat from August 2001 through September 2009."

Elon can change just the same, and by asking people to vote fort he GOP, i'd say he has. Just as Trump did. (Although I'd argue Trump would side with anyone who agrees with him)

This is where you say "registered as a democrat doesn't mean he voted that way".

And this is where i say "what about your whole spew about Independent yesterday and not everyone?" It just proves that people can switch, even if they registered for a party.

 

[Demon]

I will when Bezos publicly tell people to vote for the GOP.

Oh, I see, so if a centrist tells you to vote a particular way with the full context of why to vote that way embedded in the tweet that wholly aligns with centrist thinking, that's definitiive proof of being a far right replublican?

 

[Raymond Lin]

Oh, I see, so if a centrist tells you to vote a particular way with the full context of why to vote that way embedded in the tweet that wholly aligns with centrist thinking, that's definitiive proof of being a far right replublican?

Which way though?

If this centrist tells me to vote GOP, then I'd say he just picked a side. Yes, it is as clear as that. I am trying to be really simple to you.

This is where tell me what a centrist is and it is not that simple?

 

[dowie]

Trump was a registered democrats as recent as the 2000's.

Yes but later he was a Republican and literally became a Republican President.

Elon can change just the same, and by asking people to vote fort he GOP, i'd say he has. Just as Trump did. (Although I'd argue Trump would side with anyone who agrees with him)

Yes Elon can change, no one has argued that in the future Elon can't become a Republican.

This is where you say "registered as a democrat doesn't mean he voted that way".

No, I'm happy to assume that he voted democrat if you like, it's not particularly relevant, again Trump was literally a Republican president!

And this is where i say "what about your whole spew about Independent yesterday and not everyone?" It just proves that people can switch, even if they registered for a party.

But he hasn't switched, he is still an independent.

You don't need to "prove" that someone can switch parties or change their politics in future, I don't think anyone disputed that nor is it a particularly controversial point to make. The Trump/Elon comparison is still farcical and there's still nothing to show that Elon is far right.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Yes but later he was a Republican and literally became a Republican President.


Yes Elon can change, no one has argued that in the future Elon can't become a Republican.



No, I'm happy to assume that he voted democrat if you like, it's not particularly relevant, again Trump was literally a Republican president!



But he hasn't switched, he is still an independent.

I never denied Trump isn't a Republican, my whole point, and I will spell it out for you, is that people change!

To say Elon donated to the democrats or to say Elon is a centrist or whatever...I'd say, his recent drama puts himself in the GOP camp than anything else.

 

[dowie]

I never denied Trump isn't a Republican, my whole point, and I will spell it out for you, is that people change!

OK... and again I'm not sure that point needed to be made and no one said otherwise! If people had evidence he was far right they'd simply post it instead, now, we get nonsensical comparisons to Trump.

Back onto the subject of Twitter would be interesting if some third party were to take a look at Twitter's responsiveness given this claim and in the context of the previous spat Elon had with the CEO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597829226572705793

 

[Jono8]

There is a "like" button btw. you don't need to quote an entire tweet just to reply with "exactly"; you could just click on the "like" button instead.

Oh don't be such a grumpus pumpus.

Thought quoting it might help those at the back that still don't get it.

 

[unwashed potato!]

There is a "like" button btw. you don't need to quote an entire tweet just to reply with "exactly"; you could just click on the "like" button instead.

He can also quote and say exactly. It's far more impactful to quote and show agreement than it is to click like.

What an odd thing to find issue with.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

There is a "like" button btw. you don't need to quote an entire tweet just to reply with "exactly"; you could just click on the "like" button instead.

You don't get points for using them buttons. The other person gets the points though.

 

[Jono8]

He can also quote and say exactly. It's far more impactful to quote and show agreement than it is to click like.

What an odd thing to find issue with.

Not very "free speech" like is it

 

[bris]

Yes but later he was a Republican and literally became a Republican President.


Yes Elon can change, no one has argued that in the future Elon can't become a Republican.

Elon like trump change with the wind. Neither are either, they are simply whats best for them at the time.

Both use politics for their benefit, what ever way the wind blows you will find their allegiance.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Not very "free speech" like is it

Exactly

 

[Demon]

Which way though?

If this centrist tells me to vote GOP, then I'd say he just picked a side. Yes, it is as clear as that. I am trying to be really simple to you.

This is where tell me what a centrist is and it is not that simple?

So what is your point? He told people to vote GOP for a non partisan reason.. great, we've established the facts..

Your original point surrounded the dog pile on Dowie for the idea that Musk wants the platform to be non partisan and the assertion that him airing his own personal views contradicts that..

There are two sides to this.
1. To be partisan you have to be aligned with a party.. I maintain there isn't evidence to make that assertion for Musk. Literally his only mention of leaning right is very recently, and he's also said he's open to voting democrat again.. this all points to his centrist stance.
2. There is a world of difference between a platform being partisan and employing shadow banning/censorship to favour their chosen party and Musk telling people to vote GOP for a non partisan reason.

In between we've had people say Musk is a right wing weirdo, posts about Musk (or Twitter) aligning with White Supremecists etc..

The evidence simply isn't there for that either, unbanning Trump or other right wing figures does not make him a (far) right winger..

The only counter so far you've given is look at Trump.. well he switched to republican and never looked back.. Musk literally has only made on 'lean' to the republicans and immediately said he's open to voting democrat again.. these are not the same.

 

[Raymond Lin]

So what is your point? He told people to vote GOP for a non partisan reason.. great, we've established the facts..

Your original point surrounded the dog pile on Dowie for the idea that Musk wants the platform to be non partisan and the assertion that him airing his own personal views contradicts that..

There are two sides to this.
1. To be partisan you have to be aligned with a party.. I maintain there isn't evidence to make that assertion for Musk. Literally his only mention of leaning right is very recently, and he's also said he's open to voting democrat again.. this all points to his centrist stance.
2. There is a world of difference between a platform being partisan and employing shadow banning/censorship to favour their chosen party and Musk telling people to vote GOP for a non partisan reason.

In between we've had people say Musk is a right wing weirdo, posts about Musk (or Twitter) aligning with White Supremecists etc..

The evidence simply isn't there for that either, unbanning Trump or other right wing figures does not make him a (far) right winger..

The only counter so far you've given is look at Trump.. well he switched to republican and never looked back.. Musk literally has only made on 'lean' to the republicans and immediately said he's open to voting democrat again.. these are not the same.

The difference here is that GOP right now is very very far into the right, there are very few in the GOP party that are more in the middle, like Romney or Cheney. It's very hard to say vote for the GOP and claim to be a centralist in the current climate.

Therefore, when Elon asks people to vote for the GOP in the current climate, they are voting for this far-right version of the Republican party. Your argument would hold more weight a few presidents ago. It's very hard to see him as a Centralist for me, and some people.

p.s. what does it matter what i think which way he lean? Why are the Elon fans so eager to defend him at every step? That is the most strange part to me.

 

[Jono8]

So what is your point? He told people to vote GOP for a non partisan reason..

Man, this truly is the thread that keeps on giving.

 

[Demon]

The difference here is that GOP right now is very very far into the right, there are very few in the GOP party that are more in the middle, like Romney or Cheney. It's very hard to say vote for the GOP and claim to be a centralist in the current climate.

Therefore, when Elon asks people to vote for the GOP in the current climate, they are voting for this far-right version of the Republican party. Your argument would hold more weight a few presidents ago.

Well it's OK to disagree, I'm fine to take his non-partisan reason for voting GOP in his tweet as being non-partisan..

He wasn't saying Vote for the GOP because he wanted them in absolute power, he simply aired the sensible aspect of voting for the opposition in the midterms to keep keep the incumbent reigned in..

Man, this truly is the thread that keeps on giving.

Cool story bro