Could you tell us which of their views are "very very far" into the right?
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Could you tell us which of their views are "very very far" into the right?
The last bit seems to be the bulk of it, if people had anything substantial they'd post it, the best that a couple of posters have come up with both earlier this month and yesterday is to refer to what he said in his tweet re: the recent election but omit/ignore key details/context. Some didn't seem to grasp the issue there initially or perhaps still don't.
The Trump comparison is just bizarre, apparently, it was introduced to "prove" that people can change or something... yet that wasn't something in dispute and seems rather irrelevant, what would be interesting and relevant is evidence of Elon changing his politics, or more relevant to the point, evidence of far-right views.
Elon's current issue with the Democrat party doesn't appear to be the result of any significant shift in his political views (at least he doesn't seem to have said anything along those lines) but rather is related to the recent rise in "wokeness" which some democrat politicians seem to have embraced and which, if anything, is rather illiberal.
It's entirely possible his position hasn't changed at all and it's the Democrats moving further to the left. Most people who used to vote Labour and now find themselves politically homeless can probably relate... I still hate the Tories, but I don't trust the alternative anymore, not with the economy or definitely not on cultural issues.
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Man literally recommends on twitter that the GOP get voted into congress...
The GOP congress is literally full of complete and utter dangerous right wing nut baskets like MTG, Bobert, Gaetz etc...and the GOP were still massively in bed with Trump (a literal clown person/horror show of a man, who incited an insurrection on the US capitol)
Somehow in Dowie's world there is more context to that and everyone is missing "key details".
Elon is either right wing, or he is massively ignorant of anything to do with US politics....and I don't think it is the later. If it is the latter, he shouldn't be using his platform to recommend how people vote.
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Well yes there is more context and it's been pointed out already, it's not "somehow in dowie's world" it's literally right there in the original tweet.
Or there are compromises here and as an independent/moderate neither party is 100% ideal for him. Surely a moderate/centrist can vote for either party?
I mean in this case the context is a Democrat President and his desire for a Republican house + worries about wokeness; perhaps the latter is a more important concern for him at the moment, he's easily way better informed than you are re: US politics so the assumption that his choice is simply down to ignorance is in itself pretty dumb.
This bit about what he should or shouldn't say seems muddled too - why the "if" condition - if he's right-wing he shouldn't make the recommendation but if he's not then it's OK? Why does that depend on whether he's right-wing or not? I don't see why he shouldn't use his personal account on the platform to speak his mind, that's the very thing he's trying to encourage, the free exchange of ideas on Twitter!
Or there are compromises here and as an independent/moderate neither party is 100% ideal for him. Surely a moderate/centrist can vote for either party?
I mean in this case the context is a Democrat President and his desire for a Republican house + worries about wokeness; perhaps the latter is a more important concern for him at the moment, he's easily way better informed than you are re: US politics so the assumption that his choice is simply down to ignorance is in itself pretty dumb.
This bit about what he should or shouldn't say seems muddled too - why the "if" condition - if he's right-wing he shouldn't make the recommendation but if he's not then it's OK? Why does that depend on whether he's right-wing or not? I don't see why he shouldn't use his personal account on the platform to speak his mind, that's the very thing he's trying to encourage, the free exchange of ideas on Twitter!
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Fascinated to know what dowies job is that enables him to spend all day everyday arguing on OCUK.
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Or a vague understanding that if Twitter knew of these hashtags and didn't take any action it would open them up to various investigations and potential legal liabilities for not doing anything*, but also an understanding that there are times when law enforcement will instruct a company to not take immediate action because it gives them time to gather evidence/get co-operation from their equivalent agencies in other countries.
For example when the FBI has infiltrated and taken over servers being used to co-ordinate all sorts of highly illegal activities and kept them running for months before action is taken in multiple countries at the same time because it's given them time to make sure the evidence they are gathering is good and locating and hitting as many people at once to avoid giving them time to destroy evidence as soon as the news of the first raids breaks.
IIRC a few years back the FBI did something similar with a child exploitation ring where they'd managed to take control of one of the main servers, and kept it running until they'd organised raids in the countries where it was being produced and the countries where it was being used. In that instance I believe they'd arrested one of the guys in control of it and went from there, I can't remember if they'd managed to get him to co-operate or just managed to keep the news of his involvement quiet before the raids.
With something like Twitter hashtags I'd be very surprised if Twitter didn't/couldn't log who had viewed them, when and what threads as it seems that Twitter logs far more than the likes of this forum does, and this forum can for example tell who has visited a page, let alone who created or contributed to a page. With the result that law enforcement could end up with a long list of accounts that used those hashtags complete with things like associated IP addresses, email addresses and phone numbers, a veritable treasure trove for getting evidence.
So yes it's a guess, but it's a guess with some basic knowledge and understanding of how and why such things can happen based on previous cases that have been very widely reported.
*At the very least it's an utter PR nightmare in the making when execs are called up before the likes of regulators and lawmakers in the US, UK and EU to explain why they didn't take action, and potentially legal liability.
Well then I think he (and you and some others in this thread) have a serious problem, if "wokeness" is more of a worry than all the **** the GOP come out with/have tried to pull recently.
and also, no, i dont think a moderate/centrist should just vote for either party at the moment. I'm sorry but if you vote GOP in the USA at the moment, you are either ignorant/stupid or just plain evil.
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How about some actual rebuttal to the context then?Man literally recommends on twitter that the GOP get voted into congress...
The GOP congress is literally full of complete and utter dangerous right wing nut baskets like MTG, Bobert, Gaetz etc...and the GOP were still massively in bed with Trump (a literal clown person/horror show of a man, who incited an insurrection on the US capitol)
Somehow in Dowie's world there is more context to that and everyone is missing "key details".
Elon is either right wing, or he is massively ignorant of anything to do with US politics....and I don't think it is the later. If it is the former, he shouldn't be using his platform to recommend how people vote.
The part about "Shared power curbs the worst excesses of both parties, therefore I recommend voting for a Republican Congress, given that the Presidency is Democratic"..
Here: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exp...-investigations-impeachment/story?id=92799444
So the downside in the midterms would be a switch in who is driving the investigations and impeachments? How awful..
are you saying that the Dems don't need any curbing, they have no excesses, it's literally 100% one sided?
Just look at their pledges: (Dems Website posted previously)
Lets not fight poverty equally, lets view it all through a lens of colour and treat people differently depending on that colour.. sounds wonderfully inclusive and not regressive at all..
You know equality starts by treating everyone the same.. that's how a lot of people view it.., however, liberals don't tend to do that:
Yeah, having shared power in this case seems OK to me.
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I didn't hear you or anyone else complaining about social media sites having too much power even a year ago.
When I was posting about this very subject I was being mocked for it. I even said even though its going your way now, what happens when someone with the opposite views of yours becomes the boss. Becareful what you wish for.
Christmas came early for some.
I think that's perhaps what is clouding your judgment here, subjectively you're not as fussed about the issues with wokeness, that's just differing values/utility etc. clearly, Elon is concerned to the point where he's just spent billions acquiring a social media company; perhaps he values that issue as much as or more than you value your concern re: some other issues, is it really so difficult for you to imagine other perspectives? I don't see why he can't be historically more in line with democrat policies but concerned enough about that that he votes Republican in the midterms.
Trump isn't in power, he's not necessarily going to win the nomination and the tweet was about the midterms, the notion that a moderate/independent can't vote for one of the two main US political parties seems dubious. The notion that they must be stupid or evil simply because they've prioritised different things when making that compromise is frankly ridiculous.
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And yet here you are not complaining.
What? That is not my argument at all.
I'm happy for Elon to say what he wants on Twitter and for Twitter to do whatever they please (whoever owns it). In fact i encourage him to keep going, because in a way it is hilarious watching his brain turn into pudding.
My comment about him doing the voting recommendations would apply to anyone - i think they should inform themselves before doing so. Recommending anything from a place of ignorance is a stupid thing to do.
I'm not saying he shouldnt be allowed to say it though.
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Yes, its is difficult for me to see how anyone with a brain can worry more about "wokeness", than the multitude of outrageous things Trump and GOP congress members say and do on a daily basis,
Elon's own comment about "the party of division and hate" was literally insane and made no objective sense.
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I've been brow beaten by your "it's a private company bro, they can do what they want".. paraphrasing
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