The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Colonel_Klinck said:
Why hasn't he done what Jack Dorsey suggested and made everything available? He could give it all to every media outlet and let them comb through it all. The problem with the way he is doing it is he appears to want to control the narrative, that is hardly being transparent.
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Because it is quite obvious what side he has taken.
 
Why didn't Dorsey release the files himself when he was CEO of twitter? Better yet maybe he should have kept twitter free of interference from senators etc in the first place.
 
He’s not great with employee. At least one of his Tesla factories had OSHA Inspectors showing up daily as Elon didn’t think the rules regarding factory safety applied to him.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
He's becoming a bit of a *****. You just don't do this expecting staff to stay. He hasn't got a clue.
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Yeah, he's clearly never run a company before, what would he know.

Look at what happened to all those big law firms, totally undesirable obviously all law grads shun them and their long hours and instead want to do 9-5 conveyancing work in their local high street firm above the fish and chip shop.
 
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I think the issue is that Elon is treating twitter employees as though they are committed like a spacex employee might be.

People will be farore into working at a company like spacex,ayne they'd even take a pay cut to be part of what spacex is doing.

Twitter however is different. It's not exactly something people dream to be part of. Of all the big tech companies, it's one of the bottom, least exciting one.

There is nothing revolutionary about twitter.

However with that said, giving staff the choice to work longer hours and stay over night, I can't see the issue with. My work preference is to finish at 3pm so that you a good chunk of day left to go do something, or finish at midnight and really earn some serious money. None of this, finish at 5/6, go home have dinner watch TV bed nonsense.

If employees want to stay and work late, why not give them that choice.
 
unwashed potato! said:
I think the issue is that Elon is treating twitter employees as though they are committed like a spacex employee might be.

People will be farore into working at a company like spacex,ayne they'd even take a pay cut to be part of what spacex is doing.

Twitter however is different. It's not exactly something people dream to be part of. Of all the big tech companies, it's one of the bottom, least exciting one.

There is nothing revolutionary about twitter.

However with that said, giving staff the choice to work longer hours and stay over night, I can't see the issue with. My work preference is to finish at 3pm so that you a good chunk of day left to go do something, or finish at midnight and really earn some serious money. None of this, finish at 5/6, go home have dinner watch TV bed nonsense.

If employees want to stay and work late, why not give them that choice.
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Whose hacked your account??! :p
 
wesimmo said:
Hotel Twitter...

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Elon Musk turns Twitter into 'hotel' for staff

One photo shows a double room with wardrobe and slippers, as Elon Musk seeks to instil a "hardcore" work culture.
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Twitter is losing money so until that changes, I don't think it's unreasonable, Elon's done this before at Tesla, he sets an example by staying there himself and oversees everything.

Yes, it's hardcore, but it's one way to filter out employees that aren't committed, they should see it as an opportunity and a temporary situation. It's a great job, they're on $75K-$150K+, they should be willing to do what it takes to make Twitter secede, especially considering they've all had it pretty good up-to now.
 
Shocky-FM said:
It's a great job, they're on $75K-$150K+, they should be willing to do what it takes to make Twitter secede, especially considering they've all had it pretty good up-to
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Only if the competition are offering worse or the same.

there are plenty other tech companies that aren't run this way, and offer the same or better opportunities, and the companies aren't allowing clear Nazi sympathisers back for another shot, even if they then are removed again
 
Shocky-FM said:
Twitter is losing money so until that changes, I don't think it's unreasonable, Elon's done this before at Tesla, he sets an example by staying there himself and oversees everything.

Yes, it's hardcore, but it's one way to filter out employees that aren't committed, they should see it as an opportunity and a temporary situation. It's a great job, they're on $75K-$150K+, they should be willing to do what it takes to make Twitter secede, especially considering they've all had it pretty good up-to now.
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Is he offering more money for this ********? As you said they've had it good up to now and I'm really struggling to understand why you would accept significantly worse working conditions for the same pay. Not to mention those employees over on work visas are basically being held at ransom by Musk, it's gross.

It's not the employees fault some **** with a messiah complex bought Twitter for countless times what it's worth and proceeded to run it into the ground in record time.
 
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Moothead2 said:
Is he offering more money for this ********? As you said they've had it good up to now and I'm really struggling to understand why you would accept significantly worse working conditions for the same pay. Not to mention those employees over on work visas are basically being held at ransom by Musk, it's gross.

It's not the employees fault some **** with a messiah complex bought Twitter for countless times what it's worth and proceeded to run it into the ground in record time.
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Surely they are getting more money/overtime?
 
Moothead2 said:
Is he offering more money for this ********? As you said they've had it good up to now and I'm really struggling to understand why you would accept significantly worse working conditions for the same pay. Not to mention those employees over on work visas are basically being held at ransom by Musk, it's gross.
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Earning favour with your boss, who happens to be the richest man in the world might be worthwhile in terms of future pay and opportunities, just saying. Wow, being forced to work for $70-150k+ a year, how will they cope, they could just go home. :)

Can't comment on overtime, I would assume so but who knows.
 
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Moothead2 said:
It's not the employees fault some **** with a messiah complex bought Twitter for countless times what it's worth and proceeded to run it into the ground in record time
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Exactly

This is the real issue Elon is trying to solve.

It's not inefficiencies that caused the real problem. Twitter after all was worth a lot of money now it was before Musk bought it. It can't be worth that much if it's a terrible company that is failing. If it was, then Musk was a dummy paying 44 billion for it.

Elon is staying and living at Twitter because he owes 44 billion

Why should the employees do the same when their reward is 75k before tax, and the possibility of being fired the minute they can't offer that commitment, while other company's offer far more favourable conditions.

Perhaps it will work, but from my experience of the massive amount of programmer friends I have, they are all really well paid, and change jobs to be as lazy as possible for even more money. They rightly know they are in demand and are irreplaceable in some cases. I had one friend who wanted to quit his job, they paid him £50k bonus just to stay 6 more months and he negotiated less working hours.

That's just my experience though.

I don't get what extra Elon can offer to those working the "Elon" hours, other than more pay, which Elon is trying to reduce.
 
Anyone with half a brain would put in the hours right now to make Twitter a success and secure yourself a great career, those people have been gifted an insane opportunity.
 
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