The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Shocky-FM said:
Yes, it's hardcore, but it's one way to filter out employees that aren't committed, they should see it as an opportunity and a temporary situation. It's a great job, they're on $75K-$150K+, they should be willing to do what it takes to make Twitter secede, especially considering they've all had it pretty good up-to now.
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Past leaks from Tesla and SpaceX employees seem to suggest that 'crunch' isn't seen as a temporary situation but rather a requirement from Musk which is why there's a high churn rate especially amongst engineers. Short term it might work but it isn't a particularly great nor sustainable long term business model as it leads to knowledge vacuums when people walk due to burnout.

Arguably those staying know what they're now getting in to especially with those salaries, which are fairly average for engineers. Just a shame for those stuck on visas.

Would be interesting to see if contracts have changed to reflex the extra work hours and what compensation employees are getting.

Jono8 said:
Surely they are getting more money/overtime?
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Yes, no, maybe. Given past experience, especially with 'crunch', i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are putting in their own time to get stuff done.

unwashed potato! said:
I don't get what extra Elon can offer to those working the "Elon" hours, other than more pay, which Elon is trying to reduce.
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If you're getting to work alongside other extremely knowledgeable engineers then it could be good experience, especially for the younger lot that are happy with 100hr+ week in week out. Work-life balance is bloody miserable though.

Edit - Just to add, ploughing in 100hr+ weeks into your own business is one thing as there's a high possibility of gaining a better standard of life out of it. Doing it for someone else though is a different ballgame as the rewards won't be anywhere near the same.
 
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Werewolf said:
Erm the Hunter Biden stuff that was removed was against Twitters own terms and conditions as it was nude images posted without the users consent (something that is actually illegal in an increasing number of jurisdictions including US states).
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Erm, the pictures from the NYP story don't contain any full frontal nudity - there's a picture of him 'asleep' with a crack pipe in his mouth wrapped in a blanket, a shirtless pic where he's wearing a jacket, one in the bath where just his chest is showing but he's got his hands in from of his chest and another where its just his head iirc - you see worse on the beach or anytime you pick up the paper. There's one reason and one reason alone it was suppressed and nudity isn't it.

Here's the article in question, knock yourself out and tell me which one(s) would break t&c's - I bet you won't though.
 
C Kent said:
Erm, the pictures from the NYP story don't contain any full frontal nudity - there's a picture of him 'asleep' with a crack pipe in his mouth wrapped in a blanket, a shirtless pic where he's wearing a jacket, one in the bath where just his chest is showing but he's got his hands in from of his chest and another where its just his head iirc - you see worse on the beach or anytime you pick up the paper. There's one reason and one reason alone it was suppressed and nudity isn't it.

Here's the article in question, knock yourself out and tell me which one(s) would break t&c's - I bet you won't though.
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It was supressed because FB and Twitter feared the source and after what happened in 2016 who can blame them. Sadly this is going to be the norm going forward, campaigns releasing information or working with the likes of Wikileaks to release information on their opponent in the hope that if you throw enough **** enough will stick to swing the election. It doesn't matter if its bull **** as long as it sounds plausible enough to get the meida to buy in. This story was so ridiculous that even Fox News said no thanks. Imagine even Tucker Carlson saying no :cry:
 
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a1ex2001 said:
They are reportedly required to work 12 hour shifts which are illegal in loads of countries including China and spent months locked in the factory recently due to COVID rules but you just go on living in the fantasy world where Tesla are the only company not abusing Chinese workers or hand wave it away as 'others are much worse' as I've said I have no particular axe to grind with Musk but how you can be so blind is beyond me.
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Yes but he's 'sure' and has 'no doubts' or 'doubts' the position he's arguing, no facts of course, they tend to be inconvenient.

As for a consistent argument, see above.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
It was supressed because FB and Twitter feared the source and after what happened in 2016 who can blame them. Sadly this is going to be the norm going forward, campaigns releasing information or working with the likes of Wikileaks to release information on their opponent in the hope that if you throw enough **** enough will stick to swing the election. It doesn't matter if its bull **** as long as it sounds plausible enough to get the meida to buy in. This story was so ridiculous that even Fox News said no thanks. Imagine Tucker Carlson even saying no :cry:
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Exactly, the suppression has absolutely nothing to do with nudity whatsoever, it was all to do with possible ramifications for the Biden campaign. Couldn't have another potential Hilary moment with swing voters could they. The point is that people keep bleating on about how it was removed due to nudity and thats false.
 
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C Kent said:
Exactly, the suppression has absolutely nothing to do with nudity whatsoever, it was all to do with possible ramifications for the Biden campaign. Couldn't have another potential Hilary moment with swing voters could they. The point is that people keep bleating on about how it was removed due to nudity and thats false.
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You are confusing 2 seperate things here. The Biden campaign asked for tweets to be taken down that were of Hunter naked. That isn't the same as Twitter thinking this is another Wikileaks/Russia email release story. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place as they didn't want to be involved in being used again as they were in 2016.

The fear now with Elon telling people to vote Republican, is he would be happy for Twitter to be used to swing an election if it swings the way he wants it to. He might be happy to put his own weight behind it. We've seen how impulsive he is with the Pelosi attack recently. Now imagine deep into a presidential election and some story breaks that is suspect at best yet he runs with it making it blow up all over Twitter and other media.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
You are confusing 2 seperate things here. The Biden campaign asked for tweets to be taken down that were of Hunter naked. That isn't the same as Twitter thinking this is another Wikileaks/Russia email release story. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place as they didn't want to be involved in being used again as they were in 2016.

The fear now with Elon telling people to vote Republican, is he would be happy for Twitter to be used to swing an election if it swings the way he wants it to. He might be happy to put his own weight behind it. We've seen how impulsive he is with the Pelosi attack recently. Now imagine deep into a presidential election and some story breaks that is suspect at best yet he runs with it making it blow up all over Twitter and other media.
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Nice to have a CNN journalist posting here, do you get paid for these pieces of propaganda or do you just do it as a hobby for free?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
You are confusing 2 seperate things here. The Biden campaign asked for tweets to be taken down that were of Hunter naked. That isn't the same as Twitter thinking this is another Wikileaks/Russia email release story. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place as they didn't want to be involved in being used again as they were in 2016.

The fear now with Elon telling people to vote Republican, is he would be happy for Twitter to be used to swing an election if it swings the way he wants it to. He might be happy to put his own weight behind it. We've seen how impulsive he is with the Pelosi attack recently. Now imagine deep into a presidential election and some story breaks that is suspect at best yet he runs with it making it blow up all over Twitter and other media.
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Twitter was suspending and banning people for the crime of tweeting links to the NYP article, there may well have been one of 2 that were posting the naked pics of Hunter, the vast majority werent however.
 
Roar87 said:
Nice to have a CNN journalist posting here, do you get paid for these pieces of propaganda or do you just do it as a hobby for free?
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What are you talking about. I'm merely saying what could happen and using 2 recent actions from Elon as examples to what he might do in the future. Posting CT in reply to Nancy Pelosi was childish and impulsive. Proven by him taking it down later. Is it really a reach to go from that to pushing a suspect story that hurts a candidate in the run up to election day?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
What are you talking about. I'm merely saying what could happen and using 2 recent actions from Elon as examples to what he might do in the future. Posting CT in reply to Nancy Pelosi was childish and impulsive. Proven by him taking it down later. Is it really a reach to go from that to pushing a suspect story that hurts a candidate in the run up to election day?
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But i presume you wouldnt be happy with Musk banning a bad story about Trump/his family if he runs in 2024.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
What are you talking about. I'm merely saying what could happen and using 2 recent actions from Elon as examples to what he might do in the future. Posting CT in reply to Nancy Pelosi was childish and impulsive. Proven by him taking it down later. Is it really a reach to go from that to pushing a suspect story that hurts a candidate in the run up to election day?
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He's allowed to push whatever story he wants, if Twitter starts banning users for sharing a story then that's a problem. Elon Musk is allowed free speech himself.
 
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