The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Oh boy, I glad I popped in when I did. That is pretty daming. 18-21 is interesting in that it confirms what many thought

How is that damning? Damning of what exactly?

I’m happy to be corrected if I’ve got this wrong as it’s been a while now, but if memory serves, he regularly spread covid misinformation and repeatedly promulgated completely unverified claims without evidence, arguing continuously to let covid rip through the global population directly against WHO advice.

If he broke Twitters Covid misinformation rules, which given his track record is what I expect he did, then surely this is exactly what we should expect to see from any responsible corporation during a global health crisis?

If something genuinely damning comes to light further down the road then I’ll immediately change my opinion on this, but so far, the only bias that these files appear to be uncovering, is a bias towards the truth and a concerted effort to avoid damaging misinformation from gaining too much traction; as such, it’s not particularly surprising that people whose entire popularity and livelihoods rely upon peddling misinformation to people who are not intellectually equipped to recognise it, are all frothy over the contents of the files so far, while to everyone else, all that’s being uncovered are totally reasonable moderation practices against misinformation.

Regardless, I think that it’s not unreasonable to expect that any responsible moderation operation, whether human or automated, is going to get things wrong or make mistakes on occasion, but so far there’s been very little evidence to suggest that even that has happened, let alone any evidence to suggest an inherent bias.

Who knows, perhaps it’s taking them time to go through the data and they're saving the damning stuff for last, but it definitely seems odd that they wouldn’t have led with the smoking gun if it exists.
 
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let alone any evidence to suggest an inherent bias.
Click on the link. And do you see that wheel between the left and right click on your mouse. Use it to scroll down. There is a post about the them stretching their rules to ban a user they didn't like, even though she never violated ToS, and the double standards of them applying said ToS.

As for the rest of your post, we will see if I give a **** when I get back from the gym but I'll probably just play warzone 2 with the boys, instead. Have a nice evening guys.
 
How is that damning? Damning of what exactly?

I’m happy to be corrected if I’ve got this wrong as it’s been a while now, but if memory serves, he regularly spread covid misinformation and repeatedly promulgated completely unverified claims without evidence, arguing continuously to let covid rip through the global population directly against WHO advice.

If he broke Twitters Covid misinformation rules, which given his track record is what I expect he did, then surely this is exactly what we should expect to see from any responsible corporation during a global health crisis?

If something genuinely damning comes to light further down the road then I’ll immediately change my opinion on this, but so far, the only bias that these files appear to be uncovering, is a bias towards the truth and a concerted effort to avoid damaging misinformation from gaining too much traction; as such, it’s not particularly surprising that people whose entire popularity and livelihoods rely upon peddling misinformation to people who are not intellectually equipped to recognise it, are all frothy over the contents of the files so far, while to everyone else, all that’s being uncovered are totally reasonable moderation practices against misinformation.

Regardless, I think that it’s not unreasonable to expect that any responsible moderation operation, whether human or automated, is going to get things wrong or make mistakes on occasion, but so far there’s been very little evidence to suggest that even that has happened, let alone any evidence to suggest an inherent bias.

Who knows, perhaps it’s taking them time to go through the data and they're saving the damning stuff for last, but it definitely seems odd that they wouldn’t have led with the smoking gun if it exists.

This.

Why did he think or why does anyone else think he had/has the right to post nonsense that he has in his head about covid on someone else's website. A website with specific rules against spreading unverified Covid stuff and who rather sensibly wanted to keep information on it accurate to WHO/CDC advice etc.

Again. Twitter is not the world and it is not the government. It is a social media website and no one was born with the god given right to post what they want on Twitter or even use Twitter.
 
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Why did he think or why does anyone else think he had/has the right
I'm guessing "Professor Stanford School of Medicine. MD, PhD. Health policy: infectious diseases, covid, health" gives him more of an insight that your average tom, dick or harry..
 
I'm guessing "Professor Stanford School of Medicine. MD, PhD. Health policy: infectious diseases, covid, health" gives him more of an insight that your average tom, dick or harry..

I thought you were firmly behind all the covid reality, lockdowns, masks and vaccines? I must have been mistaken.

We all know there were some very qualified people talking utter rubbish at the time.
 
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I thought you were firmly behind all the covid reality, lockdowns, masks and vaccines? I must have been mistaken.
What's that got to do with anything? From memory, the guy was talking about the detrimental effects lockdowns have on children. He wasn't a crazy covid denier/CT nut.

Anyway, i don't think this thread needs to go down the covid rabbithole. It has enough trouble staying on topic :)
 
I'm guessing "Professor Stanford School of Medicine. MD, PhD. Health policy: infectious diseases, covid, health" gives him more of an insight that your average tom, dick or harry..

Doesnt matter one single bit. Twitter is not his, and he doesn't get to dictate what is posted on their servers.
 
Doesnt matter one single bit. Twitter is not his, and he doesn't get to dictate what is posted on their servers.
Im glad to see you wont be posting a single negative thing about who or what Musk allows on twitter in future there Jono, very noble of you.
 
Im glad to see you wont be posting a single negative thing about who or what Musk allows on twitter in future there Jono, very noble of you.

Oh no, don't you worry I will. I am here to point out the tremendous hypocrisy and amuse myself at his fall from grace.

Once generally well thought of (may be generous, lets go with innocuous maybe) space/tech nerd reveals who he really is, and descends down the the right wing rabbit hole on social media, turning himself into a gibbering, tweeting mess of a person. It is going to be quite the ride.

However, i do agree that he should be able to have anything he likes on there (within the law). It is his website after all.

I would be quite happy for him to ban anyone who he perceives as having a left wing bias. I mean, he won't unless he goes really crazy, because that would totally torpedo twitter as company, almost instantly.
 
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Oh no, don't you worry I will. I am here to point out the tremendous hypocrisy and amuse myself at his fall from grace.

Once generally well thought of (may be generous, lets go with innocuous maybe) space/tech nerd reveals who he really is, and descends down the the right wing rabbit hole on social media, turning himself into a gibbering, tweeting mess of a person. It is going to be quite the ride.
and yet the hypocrisy of the previous ownership doesn't seem to bother you, why is that?
 
Yet again Elon is claiming Twitter is being transparent yet its being anything but. Release all this info to major news outlets and let their journalists pour over it.
Similarly, i'm not entirely sure why Musk didn't do what is typically done and hand the all information and data over to known journalists working for known publications/outlets for them to write thorough articles on.

Instead he (we assume) went with two Substack journalists who appear to have only drip fed excerpts on to Twitter with no (happy to be corrected) official articles being published to either their own Substack's or any known publication/outlet. This doesn't particularly scream thorough reporting or offer any real confidence in what is being said nor does it really give the impression that Musk is being entirely transparent. It, in my opinion, reeks more like PR or controlled "journalism".

...we will see if I give a ****...
Others have said the same before in this thread; yet interestingly, they're still replying...

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This talk of historical shadow banning, isn't that exactly what Musk is saying is going to happen going forward? If you post something that he (he now decides what is and isn't acceptable) decides isn't good for Twitter you're tweet just gets zero coverage. How is that not exactly what some of these people are complaining about? Until an incredibly smart AI comes along there is no such thing as impartial moderation, everyone has bias.
 
If you was an american and knew the rules.

You would know(I have said many times) That when the house made a stupid law that effects my states.
The governor steps in and over rules it for those states.

But you're not and you don't

So you've moved the goal posts.

So no legislation came from the 2018 onward Democratic controlled House that also passed the Republican controlled Senate and was signed into law by the Republican controlled White House. Just so we are clear.
 
This talk of historical shadow banning, isn't that exactly what Musk is saying is going to happen going forward? If you post something that he (he now decides what is and isn't acceptable) decides isn't good for Twitter you're tweet just gets zero coverage. How is that not exactly what some of these people are complaining about? Until an incredibly smart AI comes along there is no such thing as impartial moderation, everyone has bias.
Depends if the user is notified or not.
 
Similarly, i'm not entirely sure why Musk didn't do what is typically done and hand the all information and data over to known journalists working for known publications/outlets for them to write thorough articles on.

Instead he (we assume) went with two Substack journalists who appear to have only drip fed excerpts on to Twitter with no (happy to be corrected) official articles being published to either their own Substack's or any known publication/outlet. This doesn't particularly scream thorough reporting or offer any real confidence in what is being said nor does it really give the impression that Musk is being entirely transparent. It, in my opinion, reeks more like PR or controlled "journalism".


Others have said the same before in this thread; yet interestingly, they're still replying...

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I’m more than happy to pop in every now and then and watch the **** show. But I’ve minimised the time I spend arguing here.
 
This talk of historical shadow banning, isn't that exactly what Musk is saying is going to happen going forward? If you post something that he (he now decides what is and isn't acceptable) decides isn't good for Twitter you're tweet just gets zero coverage. How is that not exactly what some of these people are complaining about? Until an incredibly smart AI comes along there is no such thing as impartial moderation, everyone has bias.
It is yeah and hes also wrong about that, I beleive hes said there will be more communication as to what's actually happening with accounts..dont agree with that personally.
 
So you've moved the goal posts.

So no legislation came from the 2018 onward Democratic controlled House that also passed the Republican controlled Senate and was signed into law by the Republican controlled White House. Just so we are clear.


Well. Since biden has been giving my tax $ to any student that had a loan with out my say so.
But he didn't want to repay those students that DID pay off their debt.

But the courts have stopped it so far.
Letting in millions of illegal people in and not vetting any.
Letting all the murders and MS13 plus other gang members in.

These try to come to FL.

Laws like that mess a country up.
 
Well. Since biden has been giving my tax $ to any student that had a loan with out my say so.
But he didn't want to repay those students that DID pay off their debt.

But the courts have stopped it so far.
Letting in millions of illegal people in and not vetting any.
Letting all the murders and MS13 plus other gang members in.

These try to come to FL.

Laws like that mess a country up.

What has Biden got to do with this? We were talking about Congress under Trump presidency.

You claim to live in the country but then say things like that. The Executive Branch doesn't pass legislation (laws), it implements and enforces the legislation passed by Congress.

This if miles off topic anyway but when someone who has only travelled to America knows more about how its government works than someone who claims to be a citizen its got to be a concern.
 
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