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The centre is not a fixed point either so meme is garbage.
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The centre is not a fixed point either so meme is garbage.
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You honestly think the Tories will give us another vote on PR or some other electoral reform? They only did it last time because LibDems made it a condition of entering government with them. They along with their mouth pieces the right wing press pushed hard against it. Why would they give us a system that will hurt their chances of keeping power?
The EU isn't going to legalise drugs because that is a decision left to the countries, same with sex workers, they might give protections to sex workers through workers rights but I can't see it going further than that. EU nations are still sovereign after all. Czech Republic, the Netherlands, Portugal and Switzerland have all decriminalised drugs. They are doing better than us.
I don't expect the Tories to give us another vote on PR without a coalition, same with Labour but as the 2010 coalition shows, events like that do happen in our lifetimes. I didn't expect the Conservatives to legalise gay marriage either but that happened to my amazement.
They could make it a condition of entry into the EU and I would certainly have voted remain if they did. An EU with legal drug trade would see GDP go through the roof!
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What's this I see about twitter shareholders trying to sue Musk? Is this just trash, or has some merit?
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There are clauses in his agreement to take over twitter that state what he, and twitter can and can't do and penalties for if they break those clauses.
From what I understand he broke one of the key clauses within hours of signing it.
No idea if that's what's going on.
I think you added the video after I quoted you.
I've just watched it and I see where you're coming from, but like the guy in the video says, while the Leave leadership might have been more libertarian than the majority of the political class, the Leave voters were far more protectionist. He is also more optimistic than some about the prospects of the EU becoming more/less liberal than probably the majority of the Leave leadership (and you, I assume). I think you find yourself in a minority of Leave voters if a more liberal Britain was your aim. Personally, I think leaving might actually undermine your goal… but time will tell.
At least we can agree that Farage chats a lot of ****.
Normally I'd agree with the over amplification of terms like 'extreme right/left wing', however, it's pretty much just reflects the situation we have had over the last 10 years.
This meme is hilariously on the money:
I've seen this pop up recently on Reddit (didn't Musk retweet it as well?).
Purely anecdotal but I don't recognise it personally (and I do consider myself centre-left). As far as I'm concerned, I've stayed in the same place and both the further-left and the further-right have been running away from each other in the opposite direction for the last ~10 years.
@dowie's chart is interesting but it stops at 2017 — I'd like to see a more recent version that includes the shift in Republican sentiment following Trump's presidential term and beyond.
LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You
For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.
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The image is accurate to me when it comes to cultural institutions, academia and company HR departments, less so for political parties, local politics etc.
Anyway, as far as Twitter goes there’s mountains of room for improvement and I’d like to see a giant social media platform actually run by software engineers and nerds again and not suits and people from the revolving Big Tech/DNC class door. Give me revenge of the autists.
Anyway, as far as Twitter goes there’s mountains of room for improvement and I’d like to see a giant social media platform actually run by software engineers and nerds again and not suits and people from the revolving Big Tech/DNC class door. Give me revenge of the autists.
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So I shouldn't ask a question in a thread dedicated to this exact topic? Why are you even on a forum? Why bother asking anything here exactly since your God google can answer everything? Grow up in maturity jsmoke, even if you already have age.LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You
For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.bfy.tw
The thing with Liberalism in its purest form is that it ignores the fact that humans are too often a bit ****.
I'm all for it in principal, but I'm also wise enough to know it will never work while humans human.
Jim Jeffries explains it well in his Gun Control piece which I cant link because of lots of swearing.
I'm all for it in principal, but I'm also wise enough to know it will never work while humans human.
Jim Jeffries explains it well in his Gun Control piece which I cant link because of lots of swearing.
It really isn't.
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The meme was created simply to describe the phenomena where previously left of centre liberal figures were suddenly being branded alt-right because they didn’t 100% jump in bed with the ideological far left, in that regard it shows why perfectly.
It’s rooted in unidimensional thinking/viewpoints and the behaviour that if anyone disagrees with you they must be ‘right wing’ and start branding them ‘alt right’ as a justification to have a strong negative emotional response, leading to cancelling, smear campaigns and out right violence.
I’ve always hovered around centre, I have a mix of social and liberal values and like to take care of my fellow humans and treat people as I wish to be treated and only see people as people and vote lab/cons depending on their policies that best fit my viewpoint. But I don’t agree with the identity politics so can see many centrist liberals that have now been branded alt-right and see my own views may also be considered alt-right where obviously I’ve not changed one bit, hence the Meme to me is laughably accurate.
Of course UK politics is different, lab/con are really floating around centre, currently labour are pullling a bit further left lately with pandering to identity politics and cons are a bit further right in some ways, but on a scale of far left to far right they are very much still different shades of centre in my book.
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The guy who created the meme is a liberal evolutionary biologist who was canceled by woke idiots after sending an essay into Quillette calling out some of the nonsense prevalent in gender ideology. He used to debunk the pseudoscience of right-wing creationist types but his career was torpedoed when he called out the pseudoscience of gender ideologues on the left:
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Think Cancel Culture Doesn’t Exist? My Own ‘Lived Experience’ Says Otherwise
By means of this damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don’t logic, cancel-culture Truthers can pretend away the existence of thousands of victims.
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The guy who created the meme is a liberal evolutionary biologist who was canceled by woke idiots after sending an essay into Quillette calling out some of the nonsense prevalent in gender ideology. He used to debunk the pseudoscience of right-wing creationist types but his career was torpedoed when he called out the pseudoscience of gender ideologues on the left:
Think Cancel Culture Doesn’t Exist? My Own ‘Lived Experience’ Says Otherwise
By means of this damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don’t logic, cancel-culture Truthers can pretend away the existence of thousands of victims.
I have no issue with the left-hand side of the cartoon. The “woke” side of the left is problematic for a range of reasons and I don’t feel they represent me in the left part of my centre-left self-identity.
My issue with the meme is the idea that the right has stayed static. Even your charts showed a shift further right and that was before Trump.
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Just another feeble attempt for righties to pass the buck and stoke their made up culture wars and/or refuse to move with the times.
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Exactly. Calling yourself centre or left/right of centre doesnt include support for racists, mysoginists, rapists, homophobes. It is quite funny that supporting those groups should make you extreme right but those people dont accept that. Yet if you are against those groups you are extreme left and practice cancel culture.
What has happened is the acceptance of those issues has changed. I remember growing up in and constantly hearing racist things that were deemed normal. Things change. It is called progression. The right hate progression because they spend a lot of effort trying to still be able to be *****.
No, it doesn't, the charts we have there show a shift to the left by the Republicans before Trump, remember Trump came to power in 2016, the chart shows the median Republican move to become more liberal (from 6 to 5-ish) between 94 and 2004.
Perhaps there is data between 2004 and 2017 to show a shift to the right at some other point before Trump becomes a candidate (perhaps the tea party or opposition to Obama etc..) but it isn't shown there.
The last chart does show a shift to the right, that's in 2017, after Trump has been elected... the Republicans at that point have gone from a median of 6 to 6.5 meanwhile the democrats from 5 to 2. That's kinda the crux of it, the Republican side hasn't shifted by as much.
The meme works, it doesn't really need to move the right by a tiny amount to tackle some "well ackchually" issue, it's just a funny meme and people can recognise the point being made easily enough.
Look at the meme again. It doesn’t say the centre is a fixed point. That’s the “point” of it.
And since Trump they could have gone from 6.5 to 8, or 11 — we don’t know because we don’t have the chart for it. Equally, for all know, the left could have shifted back towards the centre.
The Republican Party certainly seems to have embraced much of the Tea Party nonsense that was considered “fringe” back when they had a higher profile.
Yeah, I get the point. I still think it’s lazy and inaccurate.
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