The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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He paid her £12 million to shut her up! Nobody pays anybody £12 million for nothing!

The Queen would pay £12m to stop a court case that would have been the top story every day in the lead up to the case and likely full day coverage when the case was heard. He might have won but I'm sure some very embarrassing stuff would have been dragged out and if he took the stand he could be forced to admit things they didn't want admitted. £12m to the Queen is like £2k to us.

I don't doubt he did it though. I doubt he was concerned about shagging an underage girl if she was hot enough. That likely goes for lots of men, especially when the age of consent in the US is 18 and 17 to us in the UK is legal.
 
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If you or I were innocent we would go to court. If we were guilty and could afford the money we would settle out of court.

That is the last FACT you will ever get from me!

Really.

Marilyn Mansons lawyer was in the news recently stating that a woman making claims against his client was paid off because her lawyers were working on pay to win and their own legal costs were stacking up. MM's insurance offered to settle it and for some reason the woman accepted a much smaller settlement than originally asked for so aside from the implications of "settling" everyone was happy.

With the most recent claim being dropped against him and being exposed as a scam to get money out of Marilyn Manson I believe he expressed regret in settling the earlier claim.
 
Tbh whilst it's probably not a competitor and more it's own more localised thing I believe some form of alternate reality driven social media that floods the streets with people's metaphysical trash could easily be successful.
 
Tbh whilst it's probably not a competitor and more it's own more localised thing I believe some form of alternate reality driven social media that floods the streets with people's metaphysical trash could easily be successful.

There’s a rumour it’s going to be identical to twitter in that sense of been able to post short quick messages. Not sure of the extras as of yet.
 
So why did she accept a settlement after originally saying she wouldn't do that, and instead pushing for him to testify under oath? Why did she back out when he agreed to testify? Why didn't she testify at Epstein's trial?
You said "Facts are awkward things" but none of your questions are facts.

A civil action is about money. Did she ever said she wouldn't accept a settlement, can you provide a source for it? As I understand it she said it was not purely about money, she wanted him to acknowledge that she was a victim, which he did (praising her courage for coming forward etc.) as well as paying her a lot of money.

You have somehow concluded that he agreed to testify? He did everything possible to avoid testifying including offering the out-of-court settlement. You think she has done something wrong in accepting a settlement (she's apparently "backed out"). So for you, somehow the person offering the settlement has legitimate reasons, but the person accepting the settlement does not have legitimate reasons?

Why didn't she testify at Epstein's trial? You mean the one in 2008, where the prosecutor did some dodgy deal? Why not ask the prosecutor for not calling her? The same for Maxwell's trial, she wasn't called. A person can't just turn up to testify at trial.

Your questions are not Facts in any sense.
 
You said "Facts are awkward things" but none of your questions are facts.

But the facts I presented earlier are, and I haven't seen anyone addressing them.

A civil action is about money. Did she ever said she wouldn't accept a settlement, can you provide a source for it? As I understand it she said it was not purely about money, she wanted him to acknowledge that she was a victim, which he did (praising her courage for coming forward etc.) as well as paying her a lot of money.

You have somehow concluded that he agreed to testify?

'Prince Andrew to testify over sexual assault trial in London.'

Prince Andrew will meet lawyers representing his accuser Virginia Giuffre in London in March and testify under oath, a source close to the Duke of York told Agence France-Presse (AFP) on Saturday.

The Duke of York, the second son of Queen Elizabeth II, faces a United States civil case for sexual assault, embarrassing the royal family as his 95-year-old mother is about to celebrate her 70th year as monarch.

"We agreed to voluntarily produce the Duke for a deposition on March 10," a source close to the Duke said.

This means the prince will give sworn testimony in response to questions from Giuffre's lawyers.

...The prince has not been criminally charged and has strenuously denied the allegations. He is seeking a jury trial.

He did everything possible to avoid testifying

After seeking to have the case dismissed (which failed), he literally agreed to testify, and sought a jury trial. I don't think that qualifies as 'everything possible to avoid testifying.'

You think she has done something wrong in accepting a settlement

No I don't, and I never even implied that. But it was certainly a sharp turnaround from her original position, where she said she wanted Andrew to testify in court, and insisted that she would seek damages 'in an amount to be determined at trial.' I can only assume that she subsequently decided £12 million was sufficient restitution, and there was no need to risk a trial.

Why didn't she testify at Epstein's trial? You mean the one in 2008

Yes.

where the prosecutor did some dodgy deal?

That's not what happened. The prosecution wanted a conviction, and they got one. The dodgy deal was done by Barry Krischer, the South Florida US Attorney. He nerfed the case by working closely with Epstein's lawyers, and treating the victims as prostitutes instead of victims of sexual assault. He also chose to call only one victim as a witness. This contrasted with Maxwell's trial, where more than one witness was called—but again, Virginia Giuffre was not one of them.

Despite her many claims, Giuffre has never been called upon to testify in a criminal trial against Epstein, Maxwell, or Andrew, which is difficult to explain unless she doesn't really have a strong case.

Why not ask the prosecutor for not calling her? The same for Maxwell's trial, she wasn't called. A person can't just turn up to testify at trial.

A person can go to the authorities, make a formal statement, and present evidence showing why they should be called. When that happens, the authorities will call upon them unless they consider the statement and/or evidence to be lacking. This is literally how people get their abusers into court.

I keep an open mind on the whole case; I think it's possible that Andrew is guilty. But to date I have seen no evidence that he is, and it seems the police agree with that assessment because he's never been charged.

In the meantime, I stand by my assertion that the mythical 'Epstein client list' does not exist, and never did.
 
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Tabbi got torn a new one in Congress hearings today. Confirmed they only saw what Elon wanted them to see, that isn't journalism, its propaganda.
Not particularly surprising given who was used to "report" about the files and the trickle of information that ended up being released.
As we've all been saying from day dot, if Musk didn't have an agenda he would have just handed over the entire contents of the files to a number of respectable journalists and let them have at it.

Does make you wonder if these files are as criminating as Musk makes them out to be...

Well that’s a surprise. News has it Meta is working on a Twitter alternative to compete with Twitter.
Be interesting to see how that turns out although i'm surprised there hasn't been more noise of Twitter clones/alternatives.
 
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Not particularly surprising given who was used to "report" about the files and the trickle of information that ended up being released.
As we've all been saying from day dot, if Musk didn't have an agenda he would have just handed over the entire contents of the files to a number of respectable journalists and let them have at it.

Does make you wonder if these files are as criminating as Musk makes them out to be...


Be interesting to see how that turns out although i'm surprised there hasn't been more noise of Twitter clones/alternatives.
Until Musk took over that would have been a high stakes gamble.
Twitter was to all intents and purposes free and advertising money would follow the crowd.

Now, its still a gamble but its a lot less.
There are a lot of celebs etc already putting alternate far less useful backup plans into place, and twitter is no longer free.
Advertisers are also twitchy and some may place adverts on a competitor even if its not heavy volume of visitors.
 
Well that’s a surprise. News has it Meta is working on a Twitter alternative to compete with Twitter.

Oh boy.

Now, its still a gamble but its a lot less.
There are a lot of celebs etc already putting alternate far less useful backup plans into place, and twitter is no longer free.
Advertisers are also twitchy and some may place adverts on a competitor even if its not heavy volume of visitors

Sounds like an obvious answer the issues around twitter atm. It's nothing but bad press. Elon can't get it right and I don't think he's capable of sorting out the issues he's facing, because he is the one creating all the issues.

Facebook gave the money and users to create a clone. It'll be an easy switch for users to jump to a Facebook one as they most likely have an account with Facebook already.
 
I think what is missing at Twitter is the guy that stands behind Musk at Spacex and Tesla shaking his head and hand gesturing while mouthing 'dont take any notice just carry on as you were' while Musk explains to the workers that he wants something stupid doing.
 
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I think what is missing at Twitter is the guy that stands behind Musk at Spacex and Tesla shaking his head and hand gesturing while mouthing 'dont take any notice just carry on as you were' while Musk explains to the workers that he wants something stupid doing.

The sheer level of ignorance on display here means it can can only be a troll post
 
Given that all his tweets regarding Tesla still have to be approved by a lawyer, it’s not as ridiculous as it sounds.

Given the amount of work at SpaceX Elon has done and the amount of knowledge he has on all aspects of that company it's a stupid post, there's *many* sources to back that up as I already shared. Or you can just watch him speaking about rockets/SpaceX on Youtube for countless hours.
 
Sounds like an obvious answer the issues around twitter atm. It's nothing but bad press. Elon can't get it right and I don't think he's capable of sorting out the issues he's facing, because he is the one creating all the issues.

Facebook gave the money and users to create a clone. It'll be an easy switch for users to jump to a Facebook one as they most likely have an account with Facebook already.


With a the issues, and losing 10million users doesn't seem too bad?

If what's said about bots true, it could be an increase. I've said it before, but it seems way to early to call if it's failing or not. Most 'musk is failing twitter' comments seem to be led by emotions rather than facts?
 
A lot of people don't want their real identity linked to their Twitter profile, Facebook will insist on that which is why it won't be popular. I don't like making comments on Facebook posts because it highlights anything I post to my friends, everyone sees my real identity, I don't want some random I went to school with seeing something I said on a video game related post - let alone anything Political or controversial.
 
A lot of people don't want their real identity linked to their Twitter profile, Facebook will insist on that which is why it won't be popular. I don't like making comments on Facebook posts because it highlights anything I post to my friends, everyone sees my real identity, I don't want some random I went to school with seeing something I said on a video game related post - let alone anything Political or controversial.

This is why I haven’t posted anything on social media for a decade - if I want to say something to my friends, I send them a text…
 
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