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Yeah journalists are already complaining. Obviously the Elon simps that pay are saying the journalists should pay and write off the cost, missing the point that sources still won't be able to DM them.
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Yeah journalists are already complaining. Obviously the Elon simps that pay are saying the journalists should pay and write off the cost, missing the point that sources still won't be able to DM them.
Looks like a lot until you read only 33 of the deaths involved self drive, and this website lists such things as:
Guys, sometimes cars are involved in accidents, who knew?
The type of people who run this website are basically just the same type of recreational haters that post on here.
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To be fair that use case died with the API cost increase. Without being able to intergrate queries into a ticketing system it makes it much harder to do at scale so most companies don't bother
Tweeting at some airlines for customer support won't work anymore. They've stopped using Twitter amid Elon Musk's changes.
A clever customer service hack for dealing with airlines is becoming harder to do thanks to Elon Musk's changes to Twitter.
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Of course it is
I don't even use Twitter much but have received direct DMs from customer service. Something's you can't discuss openly (order numbers, addresses etc)
Why do investors stick around after all this time with this blatant failure that will never get government approval?That is because auto pilot turns off just before the impact. There are no shortage of videos from owners showing the car do crazy things so they then have to intervene. Would you trust one to drive you everywhere with no one sat in the drivers seat? Would you trust a professional driver to drive you everywhere every day? If the answer to the first is no, then you don't think it is safer than the human
NHTSA Finds Teslas Deactivated Autopilot Seconds Before Crashes
The finding is raising more questions than answers, but don't jump to any conclusions yet.www.motortrend.com
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Oh its just 33 deaths, they are well worth the sacrifice for the greater good of Elon
Lets hope one of those Tesla doesn't plough into you or one of your loved ones huh, though its for the greater good.Any criticism of Elon are just haters in your eyes aren't they Roar. So why would Tesla have the FSD turn itself off just before it crashes? What sense does that make? Surely it should stay engaged and try everything it can to avoid the accident. Or maybe they coded it that way so it looks like FSD wasn't in control when the accident happened. Elon is testing beta software on public roads, how many more accidents have been avoided by the driver taking control from FSD? This is information we should know. If governments had any sense they would force Tesla and all the companies that use a form of FSD to publish or at least supply regulators with the information of every time their software does something dangerous.
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You do know they haven't rolled out that update yet right? the line "hopefully releasing the update this week" posted by Elon on Sunday should be the clue.
That is because auto pilot turns off just before the impact. There are no shortage of videos from owners showing the car do crazy things so they then have to intervene. Would you trust one to drive you everywhere with no one sat in the drivers seat? Would you trust a professional driver to drive you everywhere every day? If the answer to the first is no, then you don't think it is safer than the human
NHTSA Finds Teslas Deactivated Autopilot Seconds Before Crashes
The finding is raising more questions than answers, but don't jump to any conclusions yet.
I don't like anyone driving, so my trust in a system/other person doesn't tell me what's better or not. Sometimes feelings aren't a good way to understand what's better or not. Now I don't disagree that FSD isn't as good as it should be, there should be zero accidents. But considering how little incidents there actually are, it's quite hard to declare one way or the other. Considering the amount of deaths yearly in motor accidents.
Even the article you linked to states the drivers didn't predict the crash.
"In 11 of the crashes, none of the drivers took any action between two and five seconds before impact, indicating they, like Autopilot, didn't detect the impending collisions, either."
There just isn't enough information to state it's worse than human drivers. If anything the information seems to pointing towards it being better?
33 deaths is too much, you're right. But realisticly it's very very little compared to the amount v human error.
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Roar worded it poorly, but what he meant was that you can still reply directly to the tweet rather than DM
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You can. But not exactly a runner if you need to share anything sensitive/private, and it doesn't seem like the move will actually accomplish much re: spam anyway.
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Thats one of the two reasons I use twitter gone then.
I joined up to see more news in regards Ukraine but found that DM with companies was really useful.
Genius made that more risky with the blue tick thing and now hes zapping it.
100% leaving twitter once Ukraine is done now.
Its amazing how Elon always makes out stuff is easy and his genius will fix it, and then ends up like a chimp with a sledgehammer.
I joined up to see more news in regards Ukraine but found that DM with companies was really useful.
Genius made that more risky with the blue tick thing and now hes zapping it.
100% leaving twitter once Ukraine is done now.
Its amazing how Elon always makes out stuff is easy and his genius will fix it, and then ends up like a chimp with a sledgehammer.
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So all 33 deaths were the result of others?
Did the same a little while ago but VM needed me to DM them. From what i understand, after this update, i wouldn't be able to do that. Although it reads that companies might be able initiate the DM rather than customers, which may work...¯\\_(ツ)_//¯
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Just thought of another - I won't be able to send Chris Hewitt at Empire magzine any messages now - Usually he asks for DM questions, for the spoiler special podcast.
Daily drivers who realise things can go wrong quickly on the road and that over confidence using self drive could loose you an edge on reaction time.
personally complain by email , but instagram seems to be king V
Got you as a customer for another ten years or so then. Well, until the next thing you're interested in. Seems like Twitter is the only thing that suits your needs.
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You think Ukraine war is going to last 10 years?
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I am very much more towards Thunderf00t when it comes to Elon, that's somewhere between the extremes of "Daddy Elon" and "Baddy Elon", his over promising and under delivering (to me) are very much of scale and magnitude I wonder how he has endured..
However, All AP implementations across the board from all manufacturers are not autonomous and it's clearly stated the driver has to be alert, hands on wheel and is still liable as the person in control.. All AP systems will give up and turn off whenever it doesn't know what to do, even if it stayed on, the driver is still expected to be alert and hands on wheel etc.. there is no easy cop-out..
Someone tried recently saying it 'swerved' suddenly etc and lost that case (https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/).. in reality, all other systems I've used do the same, they can swerve suddenly, turn off mid-bend, do all sorts of weird stuff, but you only have yourself to blame.. not sure why Tesla should be singled out.. The FSD is a beta but still not autonomous and requires the same driver being alert and in control, although arguably being 'beta' you pretty much have to be and it would be odd to join the program and just let it do it's thing..
When they are allowed to be autonomous, then sure, we expect transparency and of all the implementations, Tesla's is pretty robust in terms of available data, when an FSD issue is reported, I believe all video footage and diagnostics data is fed back to base.. so they probably have a great deal they could share, vs say the VW Travel Assist that has bugger all to feedback..
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Maybe because they were idiot enough to believe Elon's hype, that it worked and was better than humans so they just sat back and surfed their phone or even fell asleep. They won't be the first or last to get sucked in by his lies.
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The difference is I don't hear those other manufactures telling the world that their software is better than humans. My problem with Elon isn't that he is making this product, though I'm not happy about any of them testing software on public roads, its that he makes claims that are clearly lies and people just believe him. That man is a liar but it seems people just want to believe his hype.
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