The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Meta are going to come out smelling of roses off this.
Its a slam dunk great move.


I don't use twitter but I know staff and those active on it obviously hate what musk has done.
Now meta are playing a successful card by
-getting positive sentiment by hiring twitter staff
-producing a product that will suck up all the disgruntled twitter fans and present easy way to join via metas captive audience.


So Elon musk plays his games, then is forced to buy twitter.
He plays more games hurting his own product.
Now seems like his arrogance is actually hurting him.


Well played meta. Well played.
 
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C Kent said:
So is Bluesky dead in the water then?

I do find it amazing that seemingly no one cares about what Threads has access to when you sign up, guess the musk 'hate' is that strong :confused:
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If you have a FB account you already don't care. If you have an IG account you already don't care. Like Twitter isn't getting all the data on you it can.
 
Werewolf said:
It looks like it's exactly the same sort of information that twitter wants when you sign up, and I get similar messages from all sorts of apps - IIRC it's partly because of the way the access permissions are done and how you use it.
For example it needs access to the camera to post pictures taken with the camera in the app, it needs access to various other media on the phone because oddly if you're going to post a meme or an image you've already got on the phone it'll need to access it, same for sound, mic etc.

What Android (not sure about IOS) does in addition to those "at install" permissions is let you select when the app has access, so for example "just this once" or "only whilst using the app" which limits it to asking every time, or only gaining access when you have the app open and to the front.

In many ways it's no different to the cookie pop up you get accessing a website, which if you actually look at what it asks for will as "functional" ask to "access and store data" on your PC (as it needs it do things like store your login details and authentication tokens in a cookie).

In short the list of permissions is exactly what you expect from any app that lets you do what Twitter, Skype, Threads etc does.
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Indeed, some of the information apps collect is the same across the board, however I don't recall many apps I've recently installed saying they will collect "sensitive info", what even is sensitive information as described in the tos for threads? "other data"?

I've just looked at the data twitter would collect if I installed the twitter app on my phone and its the following:
Location
Personal info
Financial info (seems to be limited to purchase history?)
Messages
Photos and Video
Audio
Contacts
App Activity
Web Browsing
App info and Performace/diagnostics

There appears to be far more information collected by threads compared to other apps - considering how many times meta has been caught flogging personal information I'd be a touch concerned personally.

Colonel_Klinck said:
If you have a FB account you already don't care. If you have an IG account you already don't care. Like Twitter isn't getting all the data on you it can.
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I have neither, do they differ?

then again, given its not been ok'ed for use outside of the US maybe that's the standard for all US apps and the EU/UK is different?
 
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Roar87 said:
Every influencer is also on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Tiktok. There's no penalty for signing up to a new social media platform, why wouldn't they? Almost no one is leaving Twitter
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Its day 1, so no, no one is leaving Twitter today but if Threads takes off then people will choose one or the other to post on. Twitter could just become a right wing echo chamber if Elon isn't careful. He has managed to **** off a 1/3rd of the population in his first year in charge.

I don't give a damn about influencers, I use Twitter for news, politics, sport and science. However they do bring traffic.

I wonder how long before he starts insulting accounts that are gaining lots of followers over there or bans people posting Threads info?
 
C Kent said:
I have neither, do they differ?

then again, given its not been ok'ed for use outside of the US maybe that's the standard for all US apps and the EU/UK is different?
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I've no idea and I really don't care. I have my iphone block all the data collection that it can from apps. TBH though I have a google account and use google as my search engine so its not like I'm paranoid about companies collecting my data.

Its downloadable in the UK. I downloaded it earlier. Not sure about the EU but we aren't in the EU.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
I've no idea and I really don't care. I have my iphone block all the data collection that it can from apps. TBH though I have a google account and use google as my search engine so its not like I'm paranoid about companies collecting my data.
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Yes I've gathered you lot don't care about what information companies have available to them, it explains a lot tbh ;)
Colonel_Klinck said:
Its downloadable in the UK. I downloaded it earlier. Not sure about the EU but we aren't in the EU.
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Given how desperate you seem to be to rejoin the EU does it not raise any concerns that the EU haven't ratified the app? No of course not, silly me.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Oh man the copium from these Elon simps is delicious. Why do these people hero worship characters like Elon and Trump? scrap that, why do they hero worship full stop?? I'll never understand it. None of these elites give a damn about them, Elon isn't on their side, Elon is on Elon's side.

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Only, Elon was bragging about how he had fired those employees. So any non compete contracts are probably nullified, and they are free to work where ever. That’s backfired significantly and now he’s whining they have gone to work else where.
 
C Kent said:
Yes I've gathered you lot don't care about what information companies have available to them, it explains a lot tbh ;)

Given how desperate you seem to be to rejoin the EU does it not raise any concerns that the EU haven't ratified the app? No of course not, silly me.
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You realise how dull you are being? You think I give 2 **** about what some random on a forum thinks of me? Your little childish digs are exactly that, childish. Now if you don't want to join something then don't, what other people want to join is their business. Doesn't make you any better, though I get the feeling you think you're better than most. If you think Elon is any better than the likes of Zuckerberg then you are deluding yourself. Twitter is a vanity project for Elon to feed his massive ego and he's managed to royally **** it up. If it all crashes and burns it will be funny as it will be totally self inflected.
 
Musk didn't break Twitter on purpose. He didn't even want to buy it. His offer was a bluff he never expected to be called, & he tried very hard to get out of it afterwards, but couldn't. Every subsequent decision has been motivated by him trying to make some of his money back.
 
C Kent said:
Given how desperate you seem to be to rejoin the EU does it not raise any concerns that the EU haven't ratified the app? No of course not, silly me.
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UK will soon pass it's own digital protection equivalent


Colonel_Klinck said:
Its bizarre. They invest so much in people that don't give a damn about them, are looking to take as much of their money as they can and wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire unless there was some $ in it for them.
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gen alpha and their para social relationships - Musk (jenner, obama) does care about them, just harvesting their vital organs/data/wallet, roll on web 3.0 when we/prols will be able to sell our personal data.


unwashed potato! said:
Last week Elon stopped users from having any real access to twitter unless they are signed in. I have a work twitter account (I don't use, given twitter is dying I'm unlikely to change that). I don't want twitter to think that that account only views twitter content that is negative about elon/twitter/trump, as that is all I ever see as I don't view twitter other than what gets shared in this and the trump thread.
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I signed up with one with an ancient unused google account - irrespective of that, I suspect I can still be tracked through IP address or the fact that all views are from referrals from hot-bed of musk love - OC
Gen alpha like their geo-tagging too, for anonymity.


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Comrade Musk
"Elon Musk’s Tesla has joined Chinese automakers in pledging to enhance “core socialist values” and compete fairly in the country’s car market after Beijing directed the industry to rein in a months-long price war."

so, further priced reduction in the UK ?
 
Roar87 said:
Every influencer is also on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Tiktok. There's no penalty for signing up to a new social media platform, why wouldn't they? Almost no one is leaving Twitter
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As someone who manages social media in a professional setting that doesn't seem to be true in my experience about almost no one is leaving. I am seeing wide spread companies/Sites not paying Elons new Twitter API costs or paying the stupid blue tick thing and removing Twitter interaction from there websites. In the professional setting and I include Influencers in this as they do the same thing. Typically you post to a single platform that manages all the different forms of social media and that central platform is how your post ends up on Twitter. You don't directly post to Twitter yourself. This is standard practise for users of social media who post content professionally. Due to the changes Musk made to Twitter many are removing Twitter from that central setup rather then pay the increased API fee's.

This next bit is a is a small part of a paraphrased email that went out from some large web developers to all there clients.

"Obviously this is a problem in relation to Twitter. Twitter only allowing one days’ notice before the switch off instead of months, sometimes years notice that is typical. (in relation to the background twitter API’s companies use)

We realise that almost none of our clients will want to pay for these new higher Twitter fee’s.
“Option 1 - Remove the Twitter element from the site “
“Option 3 – Monthly fee to use Twitter integration. “

You know what almost everyone picked? Option 1. Which has now been actioned with a very large number of sites no longer paying for the Twitter API and no longer having Twitter interaction embedded. Many of use choose to remove Twitter rather then pay the increased fee's. Then you have the advertisers who are the life blood of Twitter who don't like what is happening and have left on mass. There is no question about it, Elon Musk as messed up big time and has been a major disaster for Twitter.
 
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Pottsey said:
As someone who manages social media in a professional setting that doesn't seem to be true in my experience about almost no one is leaving. I am seeing wide spread companies/Sites not paying Elons new Twitter API costs or paying the stupid blue tick thing and removing Twitter interaction from there websites. In the professional setting and I include Influencers in this as they do the same thing. Typically you post to a single platform that manages all the different forms of social media and that central platform is how your post ends up on Twitter. You don't directly post to Twitter yourself. This is standard practise for users of social media who post content professionally. Due to the changes Musk made to Twitter many are removing Twitter from that central setup rather then pay the increased API fee's.

This next bit is a is a small part of a paraphrased email that went out from some large web developers to all there clients.

"Obviously this is a problem in relation to Twitter. Twitter only allowing one days’ notice before the switch off instead of months, sometimes years notice that is typical. (in relation to the background twitter API’s companies use)

We realise that almost none of our clients will want to pay for these new higher Twitter fee’s.
“Option 1 - Remove the Twitter element from the site “
“Option 3 – Monthly fee to use Twitter integration. “

You know what almost everyone picked? Option 1. Which has now been actioned with a very large number of sites no longer paying for the Twitter API and no longer having Twitter interaction embedded. Many of use choose to remove Twitter rather then pay the increased fee's. Then you have the advertisers who are the life blood of Twitter who don't like what is happening and have left on mass. There is no question about it, Elon Musk as messed up big time and has been a major disaster for Twitter.
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Nice post and insight.

Its always good to get some understanding how things like this work.
They rarely work how people outside the industry assume.
 
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