The possible end of Neogaf?

mid_gen said:
If you want to play at internet edgelords why don't you just hang out on 4chan or wherever their hangout is these days, instead of getting so wound up about a forum that clearly isn't aimed at the likes of you?
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The only person that seems to be getting wound up here is you. I wonder why that is?
 
Toxic community with a mod team who suck.

I waited 8 months to get approved to be there... within a week, I was banned. Why?
USGamers review of Horizon: Zero Dawn was something like 2.5/5 or 50% if you wanna look at it like that. I commented on that review being very skeptical - not knowing a moderator there worked for USGamer and without any discussion or anything, I was banned as I was a 'junior member' and as such, you can be banned for ANYTHING they want... my reason? Apparently it could start an arguement about the scoring.

I'm almost 40 and have no need to start fights on forums - but a discussion on an unusual review score shouldn't result in a ban! lol
 
ic1male said:
Oh bum. There was a great thread on there which detailed all the enhancements for every single PS4 Pro game. I hope it’s not lost forever.
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http://assets.neogafllc.netdna-cdn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324251




I thought it might be beneficial to create fast, easy-to-use lists comparing all PS4 Pro and standard PS4 modes at a glance. The post after this one covers games which have been programmed specifically to take advantage of the new hardware, whether released after PS4 Pro with support built in, or released earlier and patched down the line. The third post covers VR games with enhancements (some titles appear again here). The fourth post lists unpatched games which are enhanced by the Boost Mode available from Pro's console settings.

The data here is either compiled from other sources, or based on my own analysis of screenshots and video. Though this thread is intended to be thorough, it's also succinct. For more details regarding specific titles, these external resources may be helpful:

PlayStation blog announcement
Digital Foundry analysis tracker
NXGamer analysis tracker
Eurogamer PS4 Pro summary
Gamespot list of announcements
IGN list
List of VR games from Fgoat on Reddit
Digital Foundry selects best upgrades of certain types

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    Most games with high-res modes automatically downsample when played on a 1080p display. Pro modes that do not downsample, and are only usable on a 4K display, are marked by a red X. For those games, the modes marked with an orange dot are obligatory on 1080p displays. Players with 4K screens can force them with OS-level settings, but not from in the game.

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    Effects, resolution, and framerate in Pro modes are color coded versus standard PS4. White indicates essentially no change. Red is worse, yellow is arguably better or worse depending on personal preference, and green is definitely better. Sometimes the exact same text might be listed, but the block colored in anyway. This means both modes have the same target, but Pro meets the target more often (green) or less often (red).

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    Games using CBR have their resolutions listed as e.g. 1800c or 2160c. Standard rendering is listed as e.g. 1800p or 2160p. (Note that CBR is not upscaling. Upscaling to 4K is still necessary if the checkerboard is below 2160c.) There are also other methods, which use appropriate abbreviations; if you're unclear on any just post a question in the thread and I'll attempt to answer.
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    CBR is a very complex process, so I created a separate thread containing an explanation. When reading over that thread, please bear in mind that I may have made mistakes. Let me know if there's anything that could be clearer.
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    Games that support HDR are tagged to the right of their title bar in the list. Both PS4 models can output HDR. However, only a very few 1080p displays—like Sony's 2017 TV models—can show the effect. A 4K display is therefore usually needed to see HDR, even if the attached console is a standard PS4. A short list of all titles with HDR support can be found in the Statistics section below, in Table 1. Only one game, Sniper Ghost Warrior 3, is known to have HDR but no official Pro support.
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    Games are listed in alphabetical order by title. I use official names, so it may take a moment to find them (Tom Clancy's The Division versus The Division, Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor versus Shadow of Mordor, etc.) For this reason, as well as the ever-expanding nature of this list, you may wish to automatedly search. The graphic format means a specific method has to be used. Please see this linked post for instructions on how to search game titles. Note that official support, VR, and Boost Mode games are in separate posts, so have to be searched independently.
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    Boost Mode opens a portion of the Pro's extra power to all games. Thus, games without official support may still see upgrades. (Boost Mode does not affect games with official Pro support.) Please keep in mind that, unlike the others, my Boost Mode list does not attempt to be exhaustive. There are surely hundreds of other games improved by Boost Mode that aren't shown here. Improvements are also too numerous for me to research as thoroughly as I do official enhancements. So the details in the Boost Mode list are more tentative and subject to error (which is why I've given it a different color scheme.)
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    The games that Boost Mode affects were not explicitly designed to run on the new hardware. Therefore, upgrades are more minor than with official support. Since resolution and framerate can't rise above their original limits from standard PS4 hardware, some well-performing games may simply not be visibly affected at all. In rare cases, problems with framerate, graphics, game logic, or program stability could be introduced. Games with no benefits are listed in the Statistics section below, in Table 5. Games with reports of errors are listed in Table 6. As with all Boost Mode info, details may be inaccurate, and more impressions and screenshots would be appreciated!
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    Yes, loading times are improved over standard PS4 hardware. A better drive interface means all games see shorter load times, even if they don't have official support, and even if Boost Mode is turned off. Boosted games, or ones with official support, can have further load time reductions on top of the universal improvement. Because games and hard drives vary, so does the size of the benefits. Along with lack of extensive testing, this is why shortened loading times aren't explicitly stated below. But they are present in almost every game.
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    The majority of games have better framerates on Pro versus standard PS4, but few raise the target framerate by 30fps. The overall graphical power difference, as well as the presence of bottlenecks not addressed by the new hardware, make such a change in performance rare. However, there are some games that do this, either across the board or in specific modes (including VR). A short list of these titles can be found in the Statistics section below, in Table 2.
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    Games are only included in the main lists if I can find proof of specific improvements. That includes analysis by me, or by others across the web. Developers often announce Pro support without any details, and it's possible for enhancement plans to change or be delayed. Or, some games may actually be improved but evidence isn't easy to obtain. In the Statistics section below, Table 3 lists titles that have been claimed, but not fully analyzed due to lack of material. If you post links or screenshots I'll try to check them. Table 4 lists titles that have been claimed and analyzed, but for which I found no improvements. Since I could be mistaken, please feel free to post contrary impressions and analysis, including your own.
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    Some entries on this list are incomplete, and the whole thing is necessarily a work in progress. (The VR section is especially spotty. Since the social screen output isn't necessarily related to the headset view, they often can't be easily analyzed.) If you can supply material on unlisted games yourself, or know where they're up elsewhere, please post the links! When posting in this thread, screenshots should be at 4K size to allow pixel counting (even if the game is running at 1080p). Thanks!

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Number of listed games with enhancements: 197
Number of listed games with VR enhancements: 59
Total number of games with official support: 239 (some are both regular and VR)
Number of listed games with Boost Mode benefits: 191
Total number of listed games: 430

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12/11 - Initial posting, followed by error fixes. Made changes based on posts through #47. Added Helldivers, Super Stardust Ultra VR, Trackmania Turbo.
12/12 - Altered format to allow quicker fixes. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #160. Added Catlateral Damage, Darksiders, two Hatsune Miku games, How We Soar, Knack, Mafia III, Planetside 2, Sword Art Online, World of Final Fantasy. Removed The Assembly, Sports Bar VR, Tumble VR.
12/13 - Altered mode restriction notation. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #218. Added ARK, Arkham Asylum, Oxenfree.
12/14 - Altered OP format for clarity, added further info. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #230.
12/15 - Altered format to prepare for upcoming feature. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #261. Added Wheels of Aurelia, Yakuza 6.
12/17 - Added tutorial on list searching. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #267. Added Mount & Blade.
12/18 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #271.
12/20 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #293. Added Berserk, The Division.
12/22 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #307. Added Job Simulator, Neon Chrome, Ride 2, RIVE.
12/26 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #320.
12/27 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #340. Added Sports Bar VR.
01/03 - Added a link to a deeper explanation of CBR. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #430.
01/04 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #464. Added Diablo III.
01/10 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #542. Added LEGO Harry Potter.
01/11 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #572. Added King of Fighters XIV. Removed World of Final Fantasy.
01/17 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #630. Added Amnesia Collection, Kingdom Hearts HD II.8.
01/22 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #699. Added Battleborn, mavity Rush 2, Rez Infinite.
01/23 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #712. Added Resident Evil VII.
01/24 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #725.
01/29 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #763. Added Trove.
02/02 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #797.
02/06 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #831. Expanded Kingdom Hearts II.8. Added Don Bradman Cricket, Nioh.
02/09 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #865. Added Fallout 4.
02/12 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #871. Added Warframe, and Perfect for VR.
02/14 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #882. Added Sniper Elite 4.
02/18 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #895. Added RESOGUN, and DiRT Rally for VR.
02/19 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #913. Added For Honor, Mother Russia Bleeds.
02/21 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #922. Added Here They Lie (including for VR), Rocket League.
02/25 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #940. Added Party Golf.
02/27 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #943. Added Horizon Zero Dawn.
03/02 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #957. Added The Assembly, for both versions.
03/06 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #966. Added Homefront: The Revolution, NieR: Automata.
03/07 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #968. Added Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing, Ghost Recon Wildlands, Torment.
03/08 - Altered OP format for clarity. Created Boost Mode game list. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #982. Added forma.8, No Man's Sky.
03/10 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1073. Added (Boost) 7 Days to Die, Carmageddon, Dead Island Definitive, DOAX 3, DiRT Rally, Dynasty Warriors 8, Far Cry 4, Ginger, God of War 3, I Am Bread, Mekazoo, Shadow of the Beast, SAO Hollow Fragment, Super Robot Wars V, Tales of Berseria, The Tomorrow Children, Tony Hawk 5, UFC 2, WRC 6, WWE 2K17.
03/11 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1083. Added (Boost) 3on3 Freestyle, Alienation, COD: Advanced Warfare, Costume Quest 2, Dead Rising, DR2: Off the Record, Dishonored, DOOM, DQ Heroes II, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Far Cry Primal, Figureheads, GUNS UP!, Lichdom Battlemage, MGS V, Moe Moe WWII 3, PvZ Garden Warfare, Resident Evil Origins, Saint Seiya Soldier's Soul, Sky Force Anniversary, Tearaway Unfolded.
03/14 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1106. Added (Boost) Albedo, Borderlands, Devil May Cry 4, DmC, Ether One, iM@S Platinum Stars, LEGO Dimensions, Madden NFL 16, Need for Speed, NHL 17, Rise of the Kasai, Rogue Galaxy, Trials Fusion, TRON RUN/r.
03/15 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1114. Added (Boost) Bladestorm, The Mark of Kri, Senran Kagura: Estival Versus.
03/18 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1123. Added A King's Tale, Senran Kagura: PBS, (Boost) Styx: Shards of Darkness.
03/21 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1139. Added Flatout 4, Mass Effect: Andromeda, (VR) HoloBall, The iDOLM@STER VR, Summer Lesson, (Boost) Battle Islands, The Crew, Emily Wants to Play, Hawken, Minecraft, MXGP 2, The Order 1886, Zombi.
03/27 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1176. Added Dark Souls III (from Boost), Kingdom Hearts I.5 + II.5, Kona, MLB The Show 17, Verdun, Vikings, (Boost) Battle Ages, Duke Nukem 3D, GTA III, Uncharted Collection.
04/02 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1227. Added Snake Pass, (VR) Korix, (Boost) APB Reloaded, DEX, LUMO, Persona 5, Walking Dead: A New Frontier.
04/11 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1282. Added Bulletstorm, PaRappa, Skyforge, Tethered, (VR) Starblood Arena, (Boost) Air Conflicts: Secret Wars, Croixleur Sigma, Gauntlet: Slayer Edition, Hard Reset Redux, Kholat, LEGO City Undercover, Oneechanbara Z2 Chaos, Psychonauts, Red Goddess, Rory McIlroy Golf, Virginia.
04/17 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1302. Added (Boost) Naruto: UNS 4, Valiant Hearts.
04/29 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1387. Added Full Throttle, Little Nightmares, Outlast 2, What Remains of Edith Finch, (VR) Bandit Six, Statik, (Boost) Aaero, Minecraft Story Mode, Sniper: Ghost Warrior 3, Syberia 3.
05/16 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1591. Added Injustice 2, LocoRoco, The Surge, (Boost) Defense Grid 2, Risen 3: Titan Lords, Wolfenstein: The Old Blood.
05/28 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1737. Added War Thunder (from Boost), Dreamfall Chapters, Human: Fall Flat, LEGO Worlds, Polybius, Portal Knights, RiME, Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada, (VR) DOAX 3: VR Paradise, Farpoint, Moonshot Galaxy.
06/04 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1767. Added Danger Zone, Prey. Tekken 7, Victor Vran, (VR) Star Trek Bridge Crew.
06/06 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1780. Added DiRT 4, The Dwarves, wipEout Omega, (Boost) flower, Knights of Valour, We Are the Dwarves.
06/20 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1872. Added Final Fantasy XIV (from Boost), MotoGP 17, Nex Machina, Paladins, Tinertia, The Town of Light, The Witch and the Hundred Knight 2.
06/25 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1901. Added Atelier Firis, BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Chess Ultra (and VR), Get Even, Moto Racer 4 (and VR), Plague Road, School Girl Zombie Hunter, Thea: The Awakening, (VR) Crystal Rift, Symphony of the Machine, (Boost) Crossout, God Eater Resurrection, Life is Strange, Madden NFL 17, Seasons After Fall, Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo, Spy Chameleon.
07/07 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #1953. Added Crash Bandicoot N»Sane Trilogy, Elite Dangerous, Final Fantasy XII, (VR) Arizona Sunshine, (Boost) Marvel Heroes Omega.
07/18 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2001. Added (VR) Fantastic Contraption.
07/27 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2054. Added Infinite Minigolf (also VR), Pyre, (VR) Mortal Blitz, SUPERHOT VR, (Boost) Game of Thrones by Tell Tale, Megadimension Neptunia V II, Motorcycle Club.
08/08 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2134. Added Dragon Quest XI, Dreadnought, Fortnite, Hellblade, Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing II, LawBreakers, Patapon Remastered, Shadow Tactics, Sine Mora EX.
08/25 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2209. Added Agents of Mayhem, Bard's Tale Remastered, F1 2017, Madden NFL 18, Matterfall, Sonic Mania, Sudden Strike 4, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy.
09/06 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2333. Added Destiny 2, Everybody's Golf, Knack 2, Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III, One Piece: Unlimited World Red, Redout, This is the Police, X-Morph: Defense, (Boost) Dead Alliance, Pillars of Eternity, Resident Evil: Revelations, Yakuza Kiwami.
09/10 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2403. Added Life is Strange: Before the Storm, XCOM 2 (finally!).
09/14 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2440. Added Cities: Skylines, A Hole New World, NBA 2K18, NBA Live 18, NHL 18, PES 2018, (Boost) Baja: Edge of Control, Dead By Daylight, Heavy Rain, NFS Rivals, Prototype Biohazard Bundle, The Wolf Among Us.
09/20 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2524. Added Burly Men at Sea, MvC Infinite, Project CARS 2, Raiders of the Broken Planet, (VR) End Space, (Boost) Warframe (from Support).
09/28 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2596. Added Danganronpa V3, FIFA 18, Ys VIII, (Boost) RUINER.
10/05 - Altered official support list format to more clearly identify HDR titles. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2655. Added Dishonored: Death of the Outsider, Dragon's Dogma, EVE: Valkyrie - Warzone, theHunter, The Last of Us: Left Behind, The Witcher III (from Boost).
10/10 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2743. Added Blue Reflection, Shadow of War, WRC 7.
10/12 - Updated OP and split lists for ease of use. Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2757. Added (VR) Psychonauts, Sparc, Tumble VR.
10/16 - Made changes based on my own research, and posts through #2811. Added Don't Knock Twice (and VR), Gran Turismo Sport.
 
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I found this post by Carfax on Guru3D. Which sums up how I felt about Neogaf nicely.

Not sure how I feel about this. While I was never a member of NeoGaf, and would never ever be due to the toxic climate, I was a longtime reader and lurker of that forum. Why? Because there was no better forum that had such a concentration of people that had the pulse of the gaming industry on the tips of their fingers. For getting insider news and info on both current and upcoming games, it was really quite marvelous. I mean, the sheer amount of hardcore gamers there and the website traffic is staggering; way more than any other gaming forums I've ever seen.

But, the community was very toxic, in the sense that contrary thoughts and opinions to the status quo were often punished or severely frowned upon, usually in the name of liberalism, social justice and feminism. Even
the mods to me seemed to be overwhelmingly, and absurdly strict to anyone that challenged the ultra liberal views that were so prevalent on the forums.

So like I said, I wasn't a member and would never be. But, NeoGaf was awesome as an instrument for getting the latest rumors and news in the gaming industry in a single package.

This entire debacle seems like a big dose of Karma though. You reap what you sow. :D
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iamtheoneneo said:
Toxic community, people pretending to be part of developer teams for years and then getting caught out.
Yeh not going to miss it a single bit.
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You realise most gaming news stories on the internet use to cite NeoGaf as the source right? Finding all the latest gaming news all in one place was definitely one of the main benefits of that site.
 
Oops, no need! I can access the CDN on my PC but not on the iPad. I've just managed to PDF the PS4 Pro thread. Thanks anyway.
 
I find it remarkable the amount of vitriol that has emerged over the forums going down. Twitter has been like a never ending font of saltiness.
 
The situation over the sites owner accusation seems a little odd.

Basically his accuser has said the they were on the lash in a bar, they got lashed and went back to his room. She got in the shower, he tried to, she told him no and he left.

After that day they had further physical relationship together.

Erm, is it me or what?
 
kitch9 said:
The situation over the sites owner accusation seems a little odd.

Basically his accuser has said the they were on the lash in a bar, they got lashed and went back to his room. She got in the shower, he tried to, she told him no and he left.

After that day they had further physical relationship together.

Erm, is it me or what?
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100%.
 
kitch9 said:
The situation over the sites owner accusation seems a little odd.

Basically his accuser has said the they were on the lash in a bar, they got lashed and went back to his room. She got in the shower, he tried to, she told him no and he left.

After that day they had further physical relationship together.

Erm, is it me or what?
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It's that which sparked it... but then there was him grabbing a womans arse in Spain as she asked if he'd buy her a drink - he grabbed it as an aggressive point of "if you ask for a drink, i'll grab that ass" kinda thing.
He also uploaded nude photos of another forums admin's girlfriend and posted them on his site... then photos of him blowing his load over the photos... then photos of that uploaded.
Plus other things
 
kitch9 said:
The situation over the sites owner accusation seems a little odd.

Basically his accuser has said the they were on the lash in a bar, they got lashed and went back to his room. She got in the shower, he tried to, she told him no and he left.

After that day they had further physical relationship together.

Erm, is it me or what?
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I agree here, also if she had a boyfriend at the time wtf? I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with my GF going on a road trip on the lash with some guy going back to his hotel room?
 
I joined the site in 2012 but since gamergate the whole site took a 'us vs them' approach any fence sitting or saying both sides are to blame led you being banned. I was permanently banned just for saying 'virtual rape' makes a mockery to real rape victims.
 
bit odd to see the GD thread someone started being closed, surely this is a discussion about a forum about games being shut down rather than a discussion about games ergo arguably more at home in GD than in this forum but meh...

frankly it sounds like a good thing in some ways if the allegations are true as people aren't prepared to tolerate stuff like that, then again if those mods who were a problem then go and start some new forum the general issues people seem to have had re: being banned for nonsense reasons will still be there

perhaps the current owner can sell the place on, a new team can be put in place etc.. regardless of people who don't like it for whatever reasons (SJW mods/random banning of posters etc..) it is a big resource and would be a shame for it to go
 
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