The Radeon RX 7600 Review Thread

Author_25 · 25 May 2023 at 14:36

Looking at the benchmarks,and specs as well as pricing and it appears spending a little more on a 6700XT, with 12GB VRAM, would be a better investment, if you are wanting the card for more than 2-3 years, than the 7600.

In the end, as we still have the 7600XT and 7700XT to come it may be better just to wait.

Buckster · 25 May 2023 at 14:41

Yeah in my case a 6700 already a bit overkill will only be used for HTPC purposes and in a Dell T20 case so dimensions in particular length an issue

Xeon as implemented as no audio out and if I'm to pay like 180 odd for a 1650 I'd much rather pay a bit more for something with tonnes more power

SuperElectric · 25 May 2023 at 14:44

Ordered!

Sometimes you have to ignore the noise, youtubers, forums, etc. When I look at the 'heat' that the 6650xt deals for £250 got over the last couple weeks, how can a newer, faster (sometimes) card for the same price be bad?

Gibbo · 25 May 2023 at 14:49

lawless50 said:
Ordered!

Sometimes you have to ignore the noise, youtubers, forums, etc. When I look at the 'heat' that the 6650xt deals for £250 got over the last couple weeks, how can a newer, faster (sometimes) card for the same price be bad?

Its not bad, but things could better. However this is faster and has more features for same money as the hot deals of last week.

End of the day this card will play any game at 1080P with decent performance.

SuperElectric · 25 May 2023 at 14:50

I assume there are no more last of us free game?
:confused:

Gibbo · 25 May 2023 at 14:52

lawless50 said:
I assume there are no more last of us free game?

If its not showing on the website then I am afraid not.

Lightnix · 25 May 2023 at 14:55

Author_25 said:
Looking at the benchmarks,and specs as well as pricing and it appears spending a little more on a 6700XT, with 12GB VRAM, would be a better investment, if you are wanting the card for more than 2-3 years, than the 7600.

In the end, as we still have the 7600XT and 7700XT to come it may be better just to wait.

I'm really confused about the 7700 XT now. What is it? The rocm drivers say it's Navi 33 but how? The chip just doesn't have that much to give. The 7600 is already the full die, maybe they could squeeze out a higher clocked 7600 XT but then what? Are they going to ship it on LN2 or what? :cry:

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 May 2023 at 15:01

Lightnix said:
I'm really confused about the 7700 XT now. What is it? The rocm drivers say it's Navi 33 but how? The chip just doesn't have that much to give. The 7600 is already the full die, maybe they could squeeze out a higher clocked 7600 XT but then what? Are they going to ship it on LN2 or what?

Knowing AMD,it will be a higher clocked RX7600 running at 3GHZ with 16GB of VRAM! :cry:

buchanpeter · 25 May 2023 at 15:10

Just home from work and was gonna order the Refrence card from AMD. Sold out before i even got home.
Anyone know how long it takes to come back in stock assuming it does?

Alt0153 · 25 May 2023 at 15:12

buchanpeter said:
Just home from work and was gonna order the Refrence card from AMD. Sold out before i even got home.
Anyone know how long it takes to come back in stock assuming it does?

its still in stock to me or do you mean something different than the sapphire one?

Gibbo · 25 May 2023 at 15:18

buchanpeter said:
Just home from work and was gonna order the Refrence card from AMD. Sold out before i even got home.
Anyone know how long it takes to come back in stock assuming it does?

We plenty of Sapphire:

Sapphire Radeon RX 7600 Pulse Gaming 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order Sapphire Radeon RX 7600 Pulse Gaming 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.

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Game · 25 May 2023 at 15:18

Author_25 said:
Looking at the benchmarks,and specs as well as pricing and it appears spending a little more on a 6700XT, with 12GB VRAM, would be a better investment, if you are wanting the card for more than 2-3 years, than the 7600.

In the end, as we still have the 7600XT and 7700XT to come it may be better just to wait.

was shocked to see the rx6700xt pushing the 4070 in some tests and even beat it in a couple

while it has it issues it does seem to be maturing well

Armageus · 25 May 2023 at 15:18

Author_25 said:
In the end, as we still have the 7600XT and 7700XT to come it may be better just to wait.

Can't see there being a 7600XT, unless it is just a faster clocker, higher TDP version - there is nothing left in the Navi33 core to unlock.

Lightnix said:
I'm really confused about the 7700 XT now. What is it? The rocm drivers say it's Navi 33 but how? The chip just doesn't have that much to give. The 7600 is already the full die, maybe they could squeeze out a higher clocked 7600 XT but then what? Are they going to ship it on LN2 or what?

I think the leaked 7700XT specs may actually be for the 7600XT.

AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT Specs

AMD Navi 32, 2544 MHz, 3456 Cores, 216 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6, 2250 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

I'll revise my previous statement - in that I think the leaks regarding 7700XT may actually be for a 7600XT (i.e. just a faster clocked version of the 7600)

I still think the 7700XT will be a 3072 shader part, assuming it's a chiplet part then it will have 3xMCD to get the 192-bit bus. (essentially half a 7900XTX)
7800XT would be a 4x MCD for 256-bit memory bus, possible with 4096 shaders, to maintain similar sort of ratio to the 7900XTX / 7600, but that would be less than the outgoing 6800XT, and only slightly more than the 6800.

There's room for a non-XT 7700, and 7800, but it depends how much the shader count can be varied with this architecture, as it's unlikely that the chiplet design would allow any in-between steps for memory buses (e.g. 160-bit, 224-bit, 288-bit)
If 7600XT is just a faster clocked Navi33, then it's likely that the Non-XT/XT versions of 7700 and 7800 would just be clock speed differences

humbug · 25 May 2023 at 15:21

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Knowing AMD,it will be a higher clocked RX7600 running at 3GHZ with 16GB of VRAM!

In all seriousness that wouldn't do it, not even close it needs 21% to match the 6700XT, already at 2600Mhz it needs to be running at 3.2Ghz to make the percentage difference up, with scaling probably 3.5Ghz to match the 6700XT, well over 4Ghz to beat it by 20%.

So yeah, the question really is wtf even is the 7700XT if its not Navi 33 or 32?

Unless the 7600 is actually Navi 34, have AMD confirmed what version of Navi it is?

humbug · 25 May 2023 at 15:24

Armageus said:
Can't see there being a 7600XT, unless it is just a faster clocker, higher TDP version - there is nothing left in the Navi33 core to unlock.

I think the leaked 7700XT specs may actually be for the 7600XT.

AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT Specs

AMD Navi 32, 2544 MHz, 3456 Cores, 216 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6, 2250 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

I'll revise my previous statement - in that I think the leaks regarding 7700XT may actually be for a 7600XT (i.e. just a faster clocked version of the 7600)

I still think the 7700XT will be a 3072 shader part, assuming it's a chiplet part then it will have 3xMCD to get the 192-bit bus. (essentially half a 7900XTX)
7800XT would be a 4x MCD for 256-bit memory bus, possible with 4096 shaders, to maintain similar sort of ratio to the 7900XTX / 7600, but that would be less than the outgoing 6800XT, and only slightly more than the 6800.

There's room for a non-XT 7700, and 7800, but it depends how much the shader count can be varied with this architecture, as it's unlikely that the chiplet design would allow any in-between steps for memory buses (e.g. 160-bit, 224-bit, 288-bit)
If 7600XT is just a faster clocked Navi33, then it's likely that the Non-XT/XT versions of 7700 and 7800 would just be clock speed differences

That would make a lot more sense.

So they are cutting 4 SKU's out of Navi 32, or manybe just 2, 7700XT and 7800XT

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 May 2023 at 15:26

humbug said:
In all seriousness that wouldn't do it, not even close it needs 21% to match the 6700XT, already at 2600Mhz it needs to be running at 3.2Ghz to make the percentage difference up, with scaling probably 3.5Ghz to match the 6700XT, well over 4Ghz to beat it by 20%.

So yeah, the question really is wtf even is the 7700XT if its not Navi 33 or 32?

Unless the 7600 is actually Navi 34, have AMD confirmed what version of Navi it is?

I was being sarcastic but with AMD you never know!

humbug · 25 May 2023 at 15:30

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I was being sarcastic but with AMD you never know!

Well right exactly

Here is Navi 32.

64 CU's
4096 Shaders
256Bit
300 watts
200mm Logic die, 5nm
4X mem dies, 6nm.

Top SKU will be the 7800XT, or whatever the 6800XT replacement will be called.

AMD Navi 32 GPU Specs

3840 Cores, 192 TMUs, 128 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

humbug · 25 May 2023 at 15:36

Hey.... i just realised, Navi 32 is exactly 2X Navi 33.

Armageus · 25 May 2023 at 15:45

humbug said:
Well right exactly

Here is Navi 32.

64 CU's
4096 Shaders
256Bit
300 watts
200mm Logic die, 5nm
4X mem dies, 6nm.

Top SKU will be the 7800XT, or whatever the 6800XT replacement will be called.

AMD Navi 32 GPU Specs

3840 Cores, 192 TMUs, 128 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

According to that link, the 7800XT isn't necessarily going to use the full Navi32 die (only using 3840/4096 shaders, 60 Compute, 60 RT) - that's a big drop from 6800XT (4608 Shaders, 72 Compute, 72 RT), regardless of IPC improvements and architecture tweaks - could end up slower than it's predecessor

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Specs

AMD Navi 32, 2430 MHz, 3840 Cores, 240 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2438 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 May 2023 at 15:52

humbug said:
Well right exactly

Here is Navi 32.

64 CU's
4096 Shaders
265Bit
300 watts
200mm Logic die, 5nm
4X mem dies, 6nm.

Top SKU will be the 7800XT, or whatever the 6800XT replacement will be called.

AMD Navi 32 GPU Specs

3840 Cores, 192 TMUs, 128 ROPs

www.techpowerup.com

With 4096 shaders,that is less than the RX6800XT. If it was launched as an RX7700XT it would be a good uplift,but we all realise this might not happen!

This is what I think we will see:
1.)RX7800(4096 shaders at 2.6GHZ) replacing the RX6800(3840 shaders at 2.1GHZ) and 4 MCDs(16GB VRAM)

That would be around a 30% to 35% performance increase. Slightly faster than RX6800XT level performance. Probably sold at $500~$520 instead of the $600 RRP of the RTX4070.

PR will say it is a reduction in RRP over the $580 RX6800. So would be around £500,which is not too far off reduced price RX6800XT cards.

It will an RTX4070 12GB in rasterised peformance but worse in RT but "cheaper" and with more VRAM.

2.)RX7700XT(3072 shaders at 2.6GHZ) replacing the RX6700XT(2560 shaders at 2.5GHZ) and 3 MCDs(12GB VRAM)

Essentially RX6800 level performance,at $420? Would be a 23% performance increase but PR will say the RRP is an $60 reduction over the RX6700XT. About £50~£80 cheaper than an RX6800 but more expensive than an RTX4060TI 8GB. More VRAM and 10% to 15% more rasterised performance but worse RT performance.

3.)RX7600XT(2560 shaders at 2.6GHZ) replacing the RX6650XT(2048 shaders at 2.6GHZ) and 3 MCDs(12GB VRAM). Although AMD could use 2 MCDs,and use 16GB VRAM.

Essentially an RX6700XT at $330? 20% to 30% faster than the RX6600XT. PR will say it is a $50 RRP reduction over the RX6600XT and has more VRAM. So about £320,which is slightly cheaper than price reduced RX6700XT cards. More VRAM and higher rasterised performance than an RTX4060 but with a higher price and worse RT performance.

So more of the "bit better" than "older cards" but with some newer technology! I would prefer a more aggressive rollout but AMD doesn't seem to really want to do this!