The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

jas72 · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:28

It's time for a fans takeover.

I'm waiting for someone to launch a share scheme and I'm on it. no more fighting fund it's time to put the money down!

jas72 · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:31

Metalface Mark said:
If it goes ahead people will boycott the way they would if Rangers were allowed to stay in the SPL, theres no halfway house here, they are either dealt with like everyone else or if they are given a soft ride, the fans will revolt.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

Put us in Div 3 that way the winners will be the clubs as Rangers fans attending their "grounds" (for want of a better word) will far surpass any stupid revolt by the 80 home fans of each club.

McMav · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:36

Metalface Mark said:
If it goes ahead people will boycott the way they would if Rangers were allowed to stay in the SPL, theres no halfway house here, they are either dealt with like everyone else or if they are given a soft ride, the fans will revolt.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

I find those fans revolting anyway so no change

also I seen in the Paisley Express that the St Mirren takeover could be put on hold for a year.

pingwing · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:39

Rangers newco's acceptance into the Scottish FA would only be approved if they accept responsibility for the football debts and fines incurred by the pervious club along with their waiving of rights to a legal challenge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293

This is the key line from the BBC, the new co and Green won't ever agree to that anyway so division 1 is a non starter.

Metalface Mark · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:39

McMav said:
I find those fans revolting anyway so no change also I seen in the Paisley Express that the St Mirren takeover could be put on hold for a year.

Yeah, its no biggie, the clubs secure and in safe hands at the moment anyway.

I wouldnt really be too upset with Rangers being in the first with the reforms, only major thing id like to see change would be a top 16 instead of 12, which is kinda stale.

afraser2k · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:41

pingwing said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293

This is the key line from the BBC, the new co and Green won't ever agree to that anyway so division 1 is a non starter.

Green might if he thinks he can get back into the SPL quickly especially if he doesn't have the support of the majority of Rangers fans.

However, I think most Rangers fans want to start again with a clean slate and see the 3rd division as the only option now.

pingwing · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:52

afraser2k said:
Green might if he thinks he can get back into the SPL quickly especially if he doesn't have the support of the majority of Rangers fans.

However, I think most Rangers fans want to start again with a clean slate and see the 3rd division as the only option now.

Yeah I agree Green probably see's that avenue but I'd anticipate the new co ending up in administration again in the first season (seeing as theirs no likely backers) so the SPL/SFA will give them more points deductions. They then usually are up for a bigger points deduction for doing it twice in so many years which I can see Green wanting to legally challenge, then challenge the prevention from doing it through the courts.

Basically the SFA are being sensible and making sure Rangers play (properly) by the rules but I don't see Green signing up to it as it takes away all the avenues of worming out of punishment he has used so far.

3rd Division will be fun for the ruse but that relies on money they still don't have.

jas72 · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:54

I've said this for a long time div 3 is a sensible option for the fans and others.

Spartans can moan all the want but if put in direct competition who is better for the SFA. Rangers or part-time Spartans with couple of dozen fans.

jas72 · 28 Jun 2012 at 13:56

pingwing said:
Yeah I agree Green probably see's that avenue but I'd anticipate the new co ending up in administration again in the first season (seeing as theirs no likely backers) so the SPL/SFA will give them more points deductions. They then usually are up for a bigger points deduction for doing it twice in so many years which I can see Green wanting to legally challenge, then challenge the prevention from doing it through the courts.

Basically the SFA are being sensible and making sure Rangers play (properly) by the rules but I don't see Green signing up to it as it takes away all the avenues of worming out of punishment he has used so far.

3rd Division will be fun for the ruse but that relies on money they still don't have.

I simply don't understand the maths re rangers and administration.

Most of the 20K earners have left even if rangers get 20K support at 200 quid circa 4 million it's still more than the rest of div 1 combined in season tickets.

What are Rangers expenses in Div 1 that could lead them not to make a substantial profit?

Metalface Mark · 28 Jun 2012 at 14:13

Depends how much Ibrox and Murray Park and the staff cost to run in a year, even rates are huge for these places.

Do you know how many staff Rangers have? Id assume that if Rangers matches were all shown in div 1 then they would get a handsome reward for this, with the big earners gone its almost unthinkable that Rangers cant be profitable, even if it means shutting down a couple of stands for a season to keep running costs/staff down.

pingwing · 28 Jun 2012 at 14:22

jas72 said:
I simply don't understand the maths re rangers and administration.

Most of the 20K earners have left even if rangers get 20K support at 200 quid circa 4 million it's still more than the rest of div 1 combined in season tickets.

What are Rangers expenses in Div 1 that could lead them not to make a substantial profit?

I thought a few people were still hanging about with reasonable contracts and there hasn't been a resolution of the ticketus case of if they still get the money. The acceptation of past Rangers actions could imply that season ticket money for next season and the year after is for ticketus and not the club.

McMav · 28 Jun 2012 at 14:45

pingwing said:
I thought a few people were still hanging about with reasonable contracts and there hasn't been a resolution of the ticketus case of if they still get the money. The acceptation of past Rangers actions could imply that season ticket money for next season and the year after is for ticketus and not the club.

Ticketus deal was with the Oldco and thats why they were in the CVA pot with the liquidation of the old co ticketus get same as the other creditors and chase Whyte (good luck there)

Whyte has shafted them as well as Rangers and the other creditors.

chameleon · 28 Jun 2012 at 15:03

Ive been on holiday for the last week. What did I miss?

Mr.E. · 28 Jun 2012 at 15:08

Rangers have no players left cos they all left plus they won't be in the SPL next year.

mmj_uk · 28 Jun 2012 at 15:45

If at this point they get put in the 2nd tier below the SPL do they still have the squad/players to be competitive?

chameleon · 28 Jun 2012 at 16:06

What's all this about them going into Div1? Where did that option pop up from? Thought it was SPL or Div 3?

McMav · 28 Jun 2012 at 16:52

chameleon said:
What's all this about them going into Div1? Where did that option pop up from? Thought it was SPL or Div 3?

My guess is spl trying to save sky tv deal.

McMav · 28 Jun 2012 at 17:26

So the 11 spl teams meet today to work out how to relegate Rangers to division 1. Good luck since we ain't in the league.

afraser2k · 28 Jun 2012 at 17:46

SPL now threatening to create a breakaway SPL2. Good luck with that when it's the 1st division teams telling them where to go.

BF-Bert · 28 Jun 2012 at 17:47

SFL denying that any deal has been done to allow newco into the 1st division.

Even if a deal was done between SFL & SPL it would still have to be voted on by the SFL clubs and that would almost definitely fail.

Time has come for newco and SPL/SFL/SFA to start facing facts, Rangers are dead and the remaining teams will not vote to allow a new club to be fast tracked to the top league. Get an application into the SFL for admission into the 3rd division and start over.