The Rangers Saga and Fallout Thread

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jas72 said:
Great to see the Rangers tax case nutters finally showing their colours. Been baseless allegations and "what ifs" from that site from day 1 yet many believe what they read.

Some stupid quotes from the "blogger"


Eh? Who won the League Cup and Scottish cup this year? Did attendances rise due to this at these clubs? Does he think attendances will rise at other clubs when the league will be won by end December? Guy is living in on another planet. The ONLY club benefitting from Rangers demise would be their Glasgow rivals all the other clubs would lose financially. Football quality would drop as would attendances. People will give their season ticket money to watch the EPL and Spanish games on SKY (already happening). Much like the league of Ireland.

Still enjoy the moment guys and live in your fantasy world where there is no Rangers and Celtic are winning a 1 team league.
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Wrong, Celtic are the one club who would be most affected by Rangers demise, how can you not see that? Other clubs other the suggestion that sky may drop the deal (they wouldnt) or reduce it (its possible) would not see much of a difference. Celtic on the other hand should there be a big reduction in TV money would see this the most, their fans would have an apathy with no natural rivals in the short term and would stop going as they already do when they play smaller teams.

steve1873 said:
At what point have I suggested otherwise?

I was replying to Mark when he said that the SFA could just ignore the courts findings. Rangers haven't chased the SFA anywhere. Rangers administrators challenged the SFA that the sanction placed on the club was not 1 which was available to them and as such unlawful. They have been proven correct. Deal with it.
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They could though, its still an option available to them.


Scotland Tonight last night.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/103883-...ier-sanctions-after-signing-ban-court-battle/
 
Metalface Mark said:
Wrong, Celtic are the one club who would be most affected by Rangers demise, how can you not see that? Other clubs other the suggestion that sky may drop the deal (they wouldnt) or reduce it (its possible) would not see much of a difference. Celtic on the other hand should there be a big reduction in TV money would see this the most, their fans would have an apathy with no natural rivals in the short term and would stop going as they already do when they play smaller teams.



They could though, its still an option available to them.


Scotland Tonight last night.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/103883-...ier-sanctions-after-signing-ban-court-battle/
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I have told you before Celtic are the 1 club in the SPL who could absorb the hit of not having Rangers in the league. Their income is not dependent on a couple of million from Sky or £400k - £500k of ticket revenue from Rangers. Every other club is. That you cannot accept that fact makes me question your sanity to be honest.

Yes it is still an option to them. If they want to suffer further embarrassment in court as well as paying for the privilege. Remember this is an organisation that claimed only a last year,

Chief executive Stewart Regan added: "We have discussed the matter with Celtic Football Club and they accept that Neil Lennon was guilty of misconduct.

"However, with regard to the timing of the suspension we must accept that if our rules cannot be enforced in a court of law then they cannot be imposed and it is foolish to waste money defending such a point.

"We acknowledge that our rules do need updating and I have proposed to our board that we commission a complete re write of the disciplinary procedures from a legal perspective to address this whole matter.

"Whilst we have an obligation to ensure that our rules can be legally enforced, nevertheless it is important for the future of Scottish football that we do not allow our disciplinary procedures to be used as a costly legal playground."
 
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Just wanted to add due to Scotland's abysmal record at every level we shall only have 1 team in the CL each year so the other 10's prospects of getting CL football (like there was even a chance of them qualifying lol) will be non existant, and if we only have Celtic to rely for our European glory then Scotland will slip lower and lower in the rankings and we will have fewer European spots.
 
jas72 said:
Just wanted to add due to Scotland's abysmal record at every level we shall only have 1 team in the CL each year so the other 10's prospects of getting CL football (like there was even a chance of them qualifying lol) will be non existant, and if we only have Celtic to rely for our European glory then Scotland will slip lower and lower in the rankings and we will have fewer European spots.
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You never know, they might get an away win at some point.... :D

Ok, perhaps not. :p
 
Metalface Mark said:
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One of the CVA conditions is that Rangers can play in the league and cup so if expelled from Scottish cup its bye bye Green & co.
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Just read this and read CVA document. Where are you getting this from more Pie and bovril Experts???? Or are you just making this up as you go along?????

It is not contained in the CVA document.
 
Remember when Celtic challanged Lennons 8 match ban.

Chief executive Stewart Regan added: "We have discussed the matter with Celtic Football Club and they accept that Neil was guilty of misconduct.

"However, with regard to the timing of the suspension we must accept that if our rules cannot be enforced in a court of law then they cannot be imposed and it is foolish to waste money defending such a point.

"We acknowledge that our rules do need updating and I have proposed to our board that we commission a complete re write of the disciplinary procedures from a legal perspective to address this whole matter.

"Whilst we have an obligation to ensure that our rules can be legally enforced, nevertheless it is important for the future of Scottish football that we do not allow our disciplinary procedures to be used as a costly legal playground.

"We must ensure we can reach a happy balance where every decision is not subject to an appeal and football can self-govern without constant legal interventions."
 
jas72 said:
Just wanted to add due to Scotland's abysmal record at every level we shall only have 1 team in the CL each year so the other 10's prospects of getting CL football (like there was even a chance of them qualifying lol) will be non existant, and if we only have Celtic to rely for our European glory then Scotland will slip lower and lower in the rankings and we will have fewer European spots.
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No we wont.
 
McMav said:
Just read this and read CVA document. Where are you getting this from more Pie and bovril Experts???? Or are you just making this up as you go along?????

It is not contained in the CVA document.
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You should know by now that I dont make up anything as I go along, everything I post is factual.

Read it again.
 
Metalface Mark said:
You should know by now that I dont make up anything as I go along, everything I post is factual.

Read it again.
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Wrong, Celtic are the one club who would be most affected by Rangers demise, how can you not see that? Other clubs other the suggestion that sky may drop the deal (they wouldnt) or reduce it (its possible) would not see much of a difference. Celtic on the other hand should there be a big reduction in TV money would see this the most, their fans would have an apathy with no natural rivals in the short term and would stop going as they already do when they play smaller teams.

I beg to differ. What you are offering here is opinion. Ill informed at that.

The part you refer to in the CVA document is out of context.
 
The SFA have dithered and prevaricated over this for months now. True, they don't want to lose the money rangers bring in but, and it is a BIG but, Rangers have effectively delivered a huge FU to the SFA. They now have no other choice but to impose a more severe sanction on Rangers, especially as the all seeing eye of Sauron, sorry FIFA and UEFA has now firmly fixed its stare upon them. They will appear utterly weak and powerless if they let a challenge like this go unanswered. It will become open season for other clubs to say "Hey, we can walk away from our debts and get away with screwing the taxman too!"
It sets a very dangerous precident.
 
steve1873 said:
Wrong, Celtic are the one club who would be most affected by Rangers demise, how can you not see that? Other clubs other the suggestion that sky may drop the deal (they wouldnt) or reduce it (its possible) would not see much of a difference. Celtic on the other hand should there be a big reduction in TV money would see this the most, their fans would have an apathy with no natural rivals in the short term and would stop going as they already do when they play smaller teams.

I beg to differ. What you are offering here is opinion. Ill informed at that.

The part you refer to in the CVA document is out of context.
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In what way is it out of context?

Both Rangers and Celtic thrive because of sectarianism, you take out your common enemy, and a lot of the supporters who follow Celtic will fall away, others will fall away because they are not interested in the short term in a non competitive league (not that it was competitive anyway).

For example, if Rangers are gone from the SPL, Dundee take their place, this will give St Johnstone and Dundee United, games where they will have bigger crowds than they would against Rangers. Celtic would be the biggest losers in terms of selling away tickets. They of course in the short term have the financial muscle to do well, but in a year or two, sans Rangers, that will fall away.

And please, stop with the snide personal comments, Ive enjoyed sparring with you without feeling the need to make personal insults, calling someone Chick Young is about as offensive as it gets :p
 
chameleon said:
The SFA have dithered and prevaricated over this for months now. True, they don't want to lose the money rangers bring in but, and it is a BIG but, Rangers have effectively delivered a huge FU to the SFA. They now have no other choice but to impose a more severe sanction on Rangers, especially as the all seeing eye of Sauron, sorry FIFA and UEFA has now firmly fixed its stare upon them. They will appear utterly weak and powerless if they let a challenge like this go unanswered. It will become open season for other clubs to say "Hey, we can walk away from our debts and get away with screwing the taxman too!"
It sets a very dangerous precident.
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That would be all well and good. Except you are missing the point. Rangers or the administrators did not claim they wanted to walk away from any punishment. They simply requested that any punishment was within the rules and not a made up sanction, that has been proven to be unlawful. I think that sets an ever so slightly more dangerous precedent.
 
Metalface Mark said:
You should know by now that I dont make up anything as I go along, everything I post is factual.

Read it again.
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Searched it for Scottish and no mention other than trophies that the Club have won so again I ask where did you see it? A cut and pate from the document will do :D
 
Nauggie said:
Look at section 4.22.6 I think. Conditions of Offer from Green.
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Thank you. I see it now. However a 1 seasons ban as a punishment may not abort the CVA process if it does and its a newco then Mr Green can say to the creditors well look it was the SFA that did it.
 
steve1873 said:
That would be all well and good. Except you are missing the point. Rangers or the administrators did not claim they wanted to walk away from any punishment. They simply requested that any punishment was within the rules and not a made up sanction, that has been proven to be unlawful. I think that sets an ever so slightly more dangerous precedent.
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But this was the sfa's attempt to be lenient, they could have lawfully expellend rangers but elected not too. So in kicking up a stink over the lesser punishment they face the full force one now.
 
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