The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.

[Purgatory]

RT Overdrive mode could be coming to Cyberpunk at the end of this month -

Cyberpunk 2077 To Showcase Truly Next-Gen RTX Path Tracing as part of RT: Overdrive Mode in GDC Presentation

NVIDIA is all set to implement the next generation of RTX Path Tracing within Cyberpunk 2077 using its RT Overdrive technology.

wccftech.com

I saw that earlier and just laughed... Another way to sell DLSS3 (aka fake frames).. Path tracing is not even able to run well on very old games as we have seen, but they want to add it to cyberc**p... seriously Nvidia and this company have some weird deal going on and using their game as a tool to sell cards and to add "features" to cripple everything out there without DLSS3.. Coming soon DLSS4 that doubles DLSS3 fake frames..

They really have hit new lows now have nvidia and all their old style games are back at full wack.. crippleware to sell their hardware instead of making them faster on hardware, proving we are back to these games again with them... This is why we need AMD to keep them in check and Intel hopefully too in the future or Nvidia will just sell us crippleware features to make them look "faster" with fake frames and techniques that cripple older hardware and their competitors.. If you look at the titles the 40 series actually does really well in they are all being massaged by Nvidia and the developers of these games that are getting clearly cash thrown at them to help nvidia sell their fake features that fake frame rates. The whole I.T industry really is at an all time low now.

 

[Nexus18]

That time of month again eh....

Also amd keeping them in check.... AMD can only dream

Ja, Nvidia macht zwar vieles falsch, aber ...

Der grüne Gigant macht sich mit hohen Preisen und steigendem Strombedarf nicht unbedingt beliebt, aber eins ist sicher: Die Fortschritte nützen allen.

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I'm confident in intel though, future looks bright with them

 

[Purgatory]

That time of month again eh....

Also amd keeping them in check.... AMD can only dream

Ja, Nvidia macht zwar vieles falsch, aber ...

Der grüne Gigant macht sich mit hohen Preisen und steigendem Strombedarf nicht unbedingt beliebt, aber eins ist sicher: Die Fortschritte nützen allen.

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I'm confident in intel though, future looks bright with them

AMD kept them in check with 30 series... That's why you didn't pay £1200 for a 3080fe.. or Titan prices on 3090s..

Don't be blind to what is going on and no not the time of the month rant , this is clear nvidia at their best what they are doing and anyone that has been into pc hardware and graphics cards can see right threw this game.

 

[LtMatt]

I saw that earlier and just laughed... Another way to sell DLSS3 (aka fake frames).. Path tracing is not even able to run well on very old games as we have seen, but they want to add it to cyberc**p... seriously Nvidia and this company have some weird deal going on and using their game as a tool to sell cards and to add "features" to cripple everything out there without DLSS3.. Coming soon DLSS4 that doubles DLSS3 fake frames..

Wise beyond your years.

 

[Quartz]

Another way to sell DLSS3 (aka fake frames)..

Why are fake frames okay in VR (reprojection) but not on a monitor?

Linus Tech Tips did a video on inserted frames (not DLSS) a while back.

 

[Purgatory]

Wise beyond your years.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634317671226568704

 

[Grim5]

Why are fake frames okay in VR (reprojection) but not on a monitor?

Linus Tech Tips did a video on inserted frames (not DLSS) a while back.

I just bought a psvr2 headset and was surprised to find out that all the games are using fake frames and there is no outrage from anybody!! Maybe VR gamers are just real gamers who want to game instead of look at benchmarks

 

[Poneros]

RT Overdrive mode could be coming to Cyberpunk at the end of this month -

Cyberpunk 2077 To Showcase Truly Next-Gen RTX Path Tracing as part of RT: Overdrive Mode in GDC Presentation

NVIDIA is all set to implement the next generation of RTX Path Tracing within Cyberpunk 2077 using its RT Overdrive technology.

wccftech.com

Imo I don't think they will debut it so soon. I actually would've guessed they'd add it together with the new expansion, but it looks here like they just wanted to be able to show it off sooner for the sake of marketing & tech dev efforts.

Either way, I don't think people should be bummed out if their GPUs can't handle it. It's a nice juiced up mode by the looks of it but nowhere near as consequential as simply having RT on in the first place. The great thing about really taxing GPU settings is that they'll still soon get overpowered because GPU power just keeps growing & growing with every gen, and by a lot. So it's not going to be long until Overdrive mode gets trivialised as well.

 

[mrk]

There is a 15-20% performance uplift just from the new RTOD using Shader Execution Reordering. This is a huge piece of technology in its own right and only supported by the new 40 series as it has the additional hardware for it and as such will put the 40 series well ahead of anything else even without using frame gen.

Will be interesting to see what transpires once the update is out.

But as long as 30 series can still run it at 60fps with DLSS 2 still..... I don't really care to upgrade GPU come 2077 expansion update time.

 

[Nexus18]

AMD kept them in check with 30 series... That's why you didn't pay £1200 for a 3080fe.. or Titan prices on 3090s..

Don't be blind to what is going on and no not the time of the month rant , this is clear nvidia at their best what they are doing and anyone that has been into pc hardware and graphics cards can see right threw this game.

Yup and all that work they did to get back on par with nvidia (well at least in raster....), they have undone with rdna 3 Sorry I forget, COD is the only title that matters......

At the end of the day, whether we like it or not, nvidia is still the better "overall" package for "gaming", as a wise man once said...



When you even have matt being impressed by "fake frames" in cp 2077, you know nvidia have done well

Also, I know they are being "sarcastic" with that comment in their own way but at the same time, you know they are going to make it out to be an issue in their video and how "nvidia bad" and if they do.... are HUB expecting to be able to play full path tracing settings on a 2060 (5 years old mid range gpu??) in an open world game like cp 2077....... HUB need to stop with these clickbait/childish digs, they do good content but are start to come across as unprofessional and very amateur like but then again, suppose they want that youtube $$$$ so they'll appease to that audience.

Why are fake frames okay in VR (reprojection) but not on a monitor?

Linus Tech Tips did a video on inserted frames (not DLSS) a while back.

Because it's nvidia

There is a 15-20% performance uplift just from the new RTOD using Shader Execution Reordering. This is a huge piece of technology in its own right and only supported by the new 40 series as it has the additional hardware for it and as such will put the 40 series well ahead of anything else even without using frame gen.

Will be interesting to see what transpires once the update is out.

But as long as 30 series can still run it at 60fps with DLSS 2 still..... I don't really care to upgrade GPU come 2077 expansion update time.

Just think if nvidia weren't still pushing the boat how long we would be waiting for "real time" rt gaming to even be a thing

I haven't bothered posting any news in here about new RT titles given how basically the vast majority of new titles have it in some form now, as HUB said, we're very much in the RT generation era now, next exciting phase/progression is to start getting RT only titles like metro ee but still a while of for that to become the norm....

 

[Calin Banc]

I saw that earlier and just laughed... Another way to sell DLSS3 (aka fake frames).. Path tracing is not even able to run well on very old games as we have seen, but they want to add it to cyberc**p... seriously Nvidia and this company have some weird deal going on and using their game as a tool to sell cards and to add "features" to cripple everything out there without DLSS3.. Coming soon DLSS4 that doubles DLSS3 fake frames..

They really have hit new lows now have nvidia and all their old style games are back at full wack.. crippleware to sell their hardware instead of making them faster on hardware, proving we are back to these games again with them... This is why we need AMD to keep them in check and Intel hopefully too in the future or Nvidia will just sell us crippleware features to make them look "faster" with fake frames and techniques that cripple older hardware and their competitors.. If you look at the titles the 40 series actually does really well in they are all being massaged by Nvidia and the developers of these games that are getting clearly cash thrown at them to help nvidia sell their fake features that fake frame rates. The whole I.T industry really is at an all time low now.

Depends what you mean by "their old style games are back". Is this another Crysis 2 over tessellation moment? Not really, they are pushing tech forward, but we are mad that for doing so it needs some proper cards. Be mad they sell those cards at stupid prices as they're not bad cards per se.

And how is AMD going to save anything since they're a gen back (except for raster), but their cards are priced similarly to nVIDIA (aka stupidly high)?

 

[Zarax]

Depends what you mean by "their old style games are back". Is this another Crysis 2 over tessellation moment? Not really, they are pushing tech forward, but we are mad that for doing so it needs some proper cards. Be mad they sell those cards at stupid prices as they're not bad cards per se.

And how is AMD going to save anything since they're a gen back (except for raster), but their cards are priced similarly to nVIDIA (aka stupidly high)?

The problem is that RT kind of messed with the market.
$250 before RT bought you 1080p/60/ultra, now let's push that to $300 with inflation.
What does $300 buy you today? An RX 6600.
Can it pull 1080p/60/ultra? More or less in most games. Can we get RT with that? No way.

 

[Calin Banc]

The problem is that RT kind of messed with the market.
$250 before RT bought you 1080p/60/ultra, now let's push that to $300 with inflation.
What does $300 buy you today? An RX 6600.
Can it pull 1080p/60/ultra? More or less in most games. Can we get RT with that? No way.

And how's that RT's fault? That's because of crypto and greed from the two major players. Just as greed has inflated CPU prices as well (and perhaps got us stuck on 16c/32t for a while like back in quad core days).

 

[Aegis]

Why are fake frames okay in VR (reprojection) but not on a monitor?

Linus Tech Tips did a video on inserted frames (not DLSS) a while back.

Asynchronous Reprojection isn't fake frames - it's decoupling the viewport from the engine - you might think of it as a more extreme version of when games reduce the animation rate of distant objects down from whatever the refresh rate is to 30fps or below in order to use that efficiency gain elsewhere.

Reprojection keeps the viewport at speeds that'll (hopefully) prevent the player from throwing up whilst simultaneous drawing the game itself as fast as the engine is capable of (as the two aren't always the same).

 

[Zarax]

And how's that RT's fault? That's because of crypto and greed from the two major players. Just as greed has inflated CPU prices as well (and perhaps got us stuck on 16c/32t for a while like back in quad core days).

I might have worded it in a slightly different way than intended.
RT as a feature is indeed a great thing, problem is that no matter which player you pick it tanks performance so much that you have to pony up close to 700€ from either player even for 1080p, which is more than double than what historically afforded you good performance at that resolution.

 

[Nexus18]

That performance

 

[Quartz]

problem is that no matter which player you pick it tanks performance so much that you have to pony up close to 700€

I remember when much the same could be said for AA.

 

[Calin Banc]

I might have worded it in a slightly different way than intended.
RT as a feature is indeed a great thing, problem is that no matter which player you pick it tanks performance so much that you have to pony up close to 700€ from either player even for 1080p, which is more than double than what historically afforded you good performance at that resolution.

Using DLSS lets you get away with it with lower hardware.
On my 2080 for 1080p@60fps was doable for Control, Cyberpunk, FC6 (this one natively runs without issues and actually has room to spare), Metro, Crysis 1, I think WD: Legion should be fine, etc.
rtx2080 is between a 3060 and 3060ti if I'm not mistaken. 3060ti shouldn't be more than around 325-350 euros depending per implementation. That should have allowed a decent 1080p@60fps experience, perhaps even more depending per game.
4070ti is to 4090 more like a card that would have fitted between 3060ti and 3070 to a 3090. So real price for a 4070ti should have been up to around 400 euros tops, depending on implementation which should have allowed a 1440p good experience.


So based on the above, while yes, there aren't that many great options for 250 euros, for something up to around 350-400 would have been in normal conditions.

Anyway, time will pass and a 5050/5060 or whatever will be called, should provide a good experience at lower prices. However, we still need games that are actually well optimized, not crap like Hogwarts and Forspoken.

 

[Grim5]

That performance

Wow it looks awesome, the lighting in some of the scenes is chef kiss

 

[Zarax]

I remember when much the same could be said for AA.

Except AA predates GPUs.