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Yea and soon after that GTX 580 was released which was improved version of 480.
We had destruction physics with Red Faction decades ago,and proper interactive weather systems in FarCry 2 IIRC. However,the reality it's easier to make static worlds and I suspect many companies can't be bothered to properly invest in properly multi-threaded the engines otherwise we would hit a massive CPU bottleneck. The same goes with NPC AI models which seemed to have hardly changed for a very long time. It's easier to sell half arsed "shiny" effects which don't really add much to the real gameplay.Probably, depends how is implemented and what ever changes they make to the game.
Remember Ageia? I think the elephant in the room is the will of developers to actually implement what is possible today into games, nevermind stuff which can't be used yet for the foreseeable future.
It works good enough - as in as much as raster can offer. They're not doing it, because it takes more time not only for the physics to be added, but also for AI to able to react properly and story to still make sense. Same reason for which we still have "1 point adds 25% more damage" skills for action RPGs.
Imagine being able to level the everything you wanted in Fallout 4 for instance or even Metro EE.
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Probably, depends how is implemented and what ever changes they make to the game.
Remember Ageia? I think the elephant in the room is the will of developers to actually implement what is possible today into games, nevermind stuff which can't be used yet for the foreseeable future.
It works good enough - as in as much as raster can offer. They're not doing it, because it takes more time not only for the physics to be added, but also for AI to able to react properly and story to still make sense. Same reason for which we still have "1 point adds 25% more damage" skills for action RPGs.
Imagine being able to level the everything you wanted in Fallout 4 for instance or even Metro EE.
We had destruction physics with Red Faction decades ago,and proper interactive weather systems in FarCry 2 IIRC. However,the reality it's easier to make static worlds and I suspect many companies can't be bothered to properly invest in properly multi-threaded the engines otherwise we would hit a massive CPU bottleneck. The same goes with NPC AI models which seemed to have hardly changed for a very long time. It's easier to sell half arsed "shiny" effects which don't really add much to the real gameplay.
Fallout 4 does have a build system,but its hobbled by the poor graphics handling of the engine,which not only produces excessive drawcalls,but loads it onto one thread. That and the NPC AI thread which is single threaded hampers performance:
Fallout 4 CPU benchmark thread(need some Zen3 and Zen4 results!)
Would it be worth replacing 5800x with 5800x3D for F4? I get drops into mid 20's downtown Boston, especially around the USS Constitution. With RTX3070.
But despite this the AI pathfinding in Fallout 4 or GTA V seems much better than in Cyberpunk 2077!!
I think it's pretty clear that even to this day Cyberpunk's AI was and will remain to be for some time, toilet
Obviously on launch, it was in a worse state though.
By doing that you're replacing one issue with another
We had destruction physics with Red Faction decades ago,and proper interactive weather systems in FarCry 2 IIRC. However,the reality it's easier to make static worlds and I suspect many companies can't be bothered to properly invest in properly multi-threaded the engines otherwise we would hit a massive CPU bottleneck. The same goes with NPC AI models which seemed to have hardly changed for a very long time. It's easier to sell half arsed "shiny" effects which don't really add much to the real gameplay.
Fallout 4 does have a build system,but its hobbled by the poor graphics handling of the engine,which not only produces excessive drawcalls,but loads it onto one thread. That and the NPC AI thread which is single threaded hampers performance:
Fallout 4 CPU benchmark thread(need some Zen3 and Zen4 results!)
Would it be worth replacing 5800x with 5800x3D for F4? I get drops into mid 20's downtown Boston, especially around the USS Constitution. With RTX3070.
But despite this the AI pathfinding in Fallout 4 or GTA V seems much better than in Cyberpunk 2077!!
That wasn't a problem in RF Guerilla and it isn't a problem in any other game that has dynamic time of day and weather.
By doing that you're replacing one issue with another
Somewhat true, but newer games get downgraded in certain regards from previous ones: Unity vs. Valhalla when it comes to AI, BF getting more and more nerfed when it comes to physics, etc. I mean look at FC6 and it's laughable physics system where you can gently hit a tree with the car and it falls over, but a pole... nope, not even with a tank. Is simple things that don't require much and are still not done right.
not to mention that RF Guerilla was 2 consoles gen back, so that level of physics should be doable easily.
That wasn't a problem in RF Guerilla and it isn't a problem in any other game that has dynamic time of day and weather.
The issue is simple when it comes to BF: a lot easier to "optimize" the gameplay when everything is static. After all their ballistic system is pants, you can't even shoot through thin metal cover with a MG
True, but it won't matter that much. Games nowadays in raster still have this problem. Even those with RT have it if they only use that for shadows and such.That's because shadows and lighting looks **** in RF guerilla etc.
Like in this image, you can easily see that lighting looks pretty much the same in the entire house area, obviously the sun looks like it is on the left side of the building but it shouldn't be that dark or/and uniform looking:
In the video showing comparison, you can see a good example of how light should behave/look when a good chunk of the building is gone and light is leaking in:
) Leaving that aside, by RPG logic you have explosive, guns, melee weapon, but can't go through a wooden door, because is locked and you don't have the knowledge to unlock medium difficulty locks ) You can level the whole building,normally and logically, but that door... that door is made out of "RPG logic", better than adamantium and game devs love to use it. Just like the face of a NPC when you discharge a shotgun to his face and he keeps on going like nothing has happen.... That's physics, ballistics and logic in modern games. Last century called and wants its gameplay mechanics back! )
But a gen ahead when it comes to physics
Big shortcoming is the lack of shadows cast from those light. That guard stands out like a sore thumb.Still think one of the better examples of RT in a game is Witcher 3, the RTGI in particular.
