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The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.

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Geforce now might be the play for me , someone not into single player (mostly online) but if something single player did release and really interested me was at level of cyber punk ( current card just tanked and not getting the best experience) would get 1 month just to complete the game

And that's exactly what makes this a great alternative. Sure it's not as good as having your own 4080/4090 locally but for £18 and if you're only going to really make use of it for a month or 2 or even 3 for a game or 2, it's nothing to turn up your nose at given the saving you're making, worst case, you get it for £18 and turns out it's **** in your experience, you've lost £18 lol.... How much do you spend on a night out drinking, eating out and so on? I can guarantee you it will be more than £18 lol.

Sadly what tna has said is true, when nvidia are involved in something, people only see red. Life is too short to get so caught up in morals/principles, these companies don't give a **** about you no matter how much they make out like they do so you simply buy what is best for your needs and budget at said time. As it is, amd have zero products to entice me to go back to them and nvidia prices for an "upgrade" are silly and not justifiable with what is currently on offer to really get the most from it.

Its not a downgrade if your 3080 was bust.....or did you forget that part? put yourself in the position of someone with £500-£600 budget and no GPU and make a decision? This off-topic started with your "this is why you don't upgrade from ampere to RDNA3" post while also championing a geforce subscription to run it on your 3080......


I agree though buying expensive hardware just for RT/PT just isn't worth it most people.

Not enough games do a good job and if anything the comparison videos of Raster/RT/PT/RR over the last few days has highlighted that at the moment everything has a compromise of some sort. As we move forward this will change and RT/PT/RR and other AI techniques will improve but that takes time and many games are already in development.

Best to wait for the developers and hardware to catch up before throwing money around for a handful of games. Or if you have money to burn get the 4090, no issues with that.



I never mentioned comparisons with FSR so what evidence would I need to produce? or are you trying to convince yourself of something?
I played Starfield for 20 minutes and found the constant loading/transition between inside and outside very annoying.



I don't need geforce ultimate , I can adjust the settings to suit like most people do.
I don't have a vega 64, sold it years ago. As usual though blinded by the info in the sig ;)


Anyway focus on the tech and future improvements.

Emm it is is a downgrade because I would be replacing it with a lesser experience i.e. I've gone from a better experience to a product providing a worse experience.... If someone was really stuck and couldn't afford a top end current gpu then the best thing to do would be go to the second hand market and get yourself a cheap second hand top end ampere gpu or if you are absolutely never going to use ray tracing or/and try not to use upscaling at all and instead reduce graphical settings, then yes, rdna 3 is the better choice.

The pont on upscaling was that "every" gpu is needing this in order to do 4k or/and high refresh rate gaming at high res. except maybe a 4090 thus it is an extremely important "feature" thus by the suggestion of moving to amd/7800xt, not only am I going to get similar or worse performance depending on raster/RT but I would also be getting worse IQ because FSR is nowhere near DLSS now especially when having to use lower presets of upscaling on weaker/older hardware, which as shown by countless recent games, is becoming more common unless again, you are happy to sacrifice graphical settings.

Why not give a try for £18? As long as you have got great internet, at the very least, it gives you an insight and chance to experience some of the technology for yourself.
 
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My reply was based on a 3080 failing, right now, the 78XT would be replacing 3080.

Going forwards, although a 78XT probably couldn't run everything on ultra, it absolutely will be able to run ultra textures whereas my 4070 probably won't with 12Gb.

So if you had ~£500 to replace your failed 3080 then the 78XT indeed would be a good choice.

Wouldn't be streaming anything though, some of us have standards that's not been watered down with upscaling.
 
@K1LaW8tt5

My reply was based on a 3080 failing, right now, the 78XT would be replacing 3080.

Going forwards, although a 78XT probably couldn't run everything on ultra, it absolutely will be able to run ultra textures whereas my 4070 probably won't with 12Gb.

So if you had ~£500 to replace your failed 3080 then the 78XT indeed would be a good choice.

Wouldn't be streaming anything though, some of us have standards that's not been watered down with upscaling.

Have you tried it for yourself to come to this opinion? Specifically the ultimate package.

What's your thoughts on netflix and Amazon's streaming image quality compared to an untouched uhd version?
 
It's true there is zero difference, Raster is like literally better and totally the future..... /s :D
Raster is still priority in pretty much all games bar the odd title. Fully Ray traced games is a good while away yet but can see how it's still useful atm when used properly. By properly i mean not tanking performance for literally every graphics card on the market now and past gen cards. RT is still gonna be an add in for a long time to come or games won't be selling well at all.
 
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One might say rasta is the @TheRealDeal :D
Am not lying though man the PC gaming scene as a whole is no where near ready for heavy ray tracing. Only those that stick at the high end which is very small have a chance to see the benefits of high ray tracing settings. I would turn on the light version of it as it's still better than raster at these levels most of the time.
 
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Am not lying though man the PC gaming scene as a whole is no where near ready for heavy unoptimised ray tracing. Only those that stick at the high end which is very small have a chance to see the benefits of ray tracing.

Fixed.

I don't know why people only ever focus on poor implementations. We have seen countless examples of where ray tracing runs fantastic and in some cases, even better than raster + rt hybrid version i.e. metro ee being the main one. Cp 2077 is performing exactly how I would expect and it's not that bad given full open dense world with path tracing.

Could be argued, pc gaming scene is nowhere near ready for UE 5 games, well, again, that comes down to poor optimisation.

Again, this all comes down to instead of pointing fingers at nvidia, point fingers at developers of the games, they need to change their workflow to suit ray tracing.

The sooner devs drop raster entirely, the better. I'm hoping with spiderman 2 being ray tracing only, we'll start to see this becoming more common now.
 
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Am not lying though man the PC gaming scene as a whole is no where near ready for heavy ray tracing. Only those that stick at the high end which is very small have a chance to see the benefits of ray tracing.

Sure. But I guess the ones with deep pockets or yolo money's can pay and get it now.

I like what I see to an extent. But it ain't noway near good enough to make me want to pay 4090 moneys. Besides. You can just get for £18 :D

We are all different at the end. It may give Nexus a lot of pleasure, yet give you little to none. No right or wrong here imo.

Ti me DLSS is more important than RT right now. And that is why I would like to see FSR 3 do well. But I am honestly not holding my breath. Besides. Not like AMD price their cards properly anymore. They just copy Nvidia. So whatever Nvidia charge, just expect that with a small discount. Whodee do.

Rather pay the little extra and go Nvidia if that's the game they want to play is my position. AMD need to drop this we are premium crap right now. You don't show you are premium by the prices you charge. You show that via your hardware and software. But again be honest, if AMD had the better software and hardware, being the premium brand they are they would charge even more than Nvidia. Sad.
 
The sooner devs drop raster entirely, the better. I'm hoping with spiderman 2 being ray tracing only, we'll start to see this becoming more common now.

Like yourself I really like my eye candy RT FX but we have to be realistic, Unless Dr Su has made a bargain with an elder eldritch god to magically increase the consoles RDNA3 RT capability an order of magnitude beyond what it is now then a fully ray traced Spiderman 2 is not going to happen.

Yes it has RT FX in it at all presets but the base is still raster.

I say with next gen consoles, we'll see this being the catalyst in rt evolution

The console implementation of RDNA4 is going to have to be incredibly advanced for full RT titles to become a thing, I can't see it happening TBH.
 
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Like yourself I really like my eye candy RT FX but we have to be realistic, Unless Dr Su has made a bargain with an elder eldritch god to magically increase the consoles RDNA3 RT capability an order of magnitude beyond what it is now then a fully ray traced Spiderman 2 is not going to happen.

Yes it has RT FX in it at all presets but the base is still raster.



The console implementation of RDNA4 is going to have to be incredibly advanced for full RT titles to become a thing, I can't see it happening TBH.
Again see metro ee :D :p When I say drop raster, I really mean make ray tracing the focus and build around it rather than focusing on dated tech then shoe horning in RT as the results like this will never get anywhere close to what 4a enhanced achieved and the only reason they could do that was by changing their workflow to be RT focused
 
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Good, but not great. It's undeniably impressive, but the image and motion clarity you get from uhd is definitely a step up, on the right screen.

Yup I agree, can definitely notice a difference especially on oled and more so in darker scenes.

No doubt netflix and Amazon's hdr 4k looks great but a proper UHd is better and a large part of that is because of the bit rate. Obviously different content here but geforce now ultimate is providing similar bit rate to a proper untouched UHD version, which is why I'm curious if the naysayers also find netflix and Amazon 4k HDR content to also look shockingly bad and unusable ;)
 
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Again see metro ee :D :p

The base game is still rasterized as in the architecture of buildings, Weapons etc... and the textures themselves in many places aren't exactly massively high res which helps with performance and it works in M.E.E as it's nowhere near as open as a game like Spiderman 2 will be.

Spiderman 2 will be interesting but I can't see them having everything ray traced, Reflections, Global illumination, Shadows, Ambient occlusion, Emissive lighting etc... while also having good quality with decent FPS. FX will have to be turned down for the higher FPS options.
 
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