Soldato
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Hahaha was a double post. Be less fun in here for you without my drivel and winding of the jimmies.Done! You are now on my ignore list.
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The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.
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tbf, when you have a 7900xt, you might as well play on console now as not like the experience will be any better come pc release for amd users, not a dig btw, just stating the truth and of course chances are ampere won't perform much better either and well tbh, I won't be surprised if ££££ 4090s also **** the bed, money well spent though......
Also, bit more eye candy? So far the games ported look significantly better on pc and most importantly, higher frame rate and main thing for me, 21.9 (couldn't go back to 16.9, horrible aspect ratio for immersive gaming), most of sonys game have been good ports too tbf.
It's ok for people to not jump onto everything you personally like bud, I've noticed this trend with you over the last few years, Any time you like something you get super into it and in a round about way have to tell people why they are wrong and why your point of view is the most valid, It's no skin off my nose but I do find it quite amusing to read your multi paragraph rants, Please never change, It's a highlight of this forum for me
I've tried streaming very recently at a mates place, Image quality was decent but I find the idea of renting out hardware a little Judge Dredd dystopian.
That's grand and that's called opinions but to pass of statements which are just plain wrong or/and go against several sources and countless end users with no evidence to back up such statements, well expect to get debunked
The trend I notice with these forums is the same old of post BS and go against the grain with nothing to ever back up such statements e.g. look at how many people are wrong on RT and what it is set out to achieve, you even have the devs stating all the pros of it with footage to back up their statements yet no "rt is useless, just a gimmick" Personally I go by evidence and logical way of thinking and based on my experience and needs/wants, geforce ultimate matches exactly that and no one has been able to offer any other logical sense to counter that reasoning so far. If people are happy to pay ££££ where games are released in a **** state and can barely manage 10 fps at 4k then be my guest lol.Which streaming service did you use out of interest?
It's quite funny as I recommended it to a friend (who has a 3090 and 5800xt setup) and he has said his local pc hasn't got used since he got geforce now ultimate
It's a valid point not wanting to "rent" but I couldn't care less if I own hardware or not, I just want to play games so got no problems in how that is achieved, same way I don't care how higher performance is achieved via fake frames or fake res, if it works good and looks good, well that is all that matters. And there have been some big advantages that I didn't think of at first which you simply won't get with owning said hardware e.g.
- no electricity use so that £20 a month won't even be that by the time you add up the savings
- zero heat and fans don't even spin, great for summer
- I travel a lot so it's quite nice if/when I want to game, I can just use my smartphone, beats steam deck etc. imo
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GeForce Now the ultimate/highest tier option I believe, It was smooth but his net went out 30 minutes into playing Cyberpunk and there in lies the problem with streaming, Net goes out and bye bye all your games, I know the same is true with a lot of games on Steam, Origin etc... as they require an online connection but this is why I quite like GOG, All games playable offline
GeForce Now the ultimate/highest tier option I believe, It was smooth but his net went out 30 minutes into playing Cyberpunk and there in lies the problem with streaming, Net goes out and bye bye all your games, I know the same is true with a lot of games on Steam, Origin etc... as they require an online connection but this is why I quite like GOG, All games playable offline
Well yeah, like I have always said, I wouldn't recommend it if you have ****/dodgy internet, mine been flaw free and surprisingly even good on wireless. I think that last point of yours is more of a pressing matter than nvidias service tbh, there have been countless times where I couldn't play some games because steam etc. have been down. Obviously nvidia is not immune to server issues but as illustrated, neither are other companies so can't do the "bad nvidia" stance here
Only thing I would like to see improved with geforce now is the games library (which does look to be improving) and ability to mod games (not a huge issue for me as I very rarely mod games except for QOL things)
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And yet you still won't post anything to show why it is such a horrible experience, meanwhile, countless videos, articles etc. out there showing comparisons on how good it is but as per usual fingers in ears with you because it doesn't fit the narrative
Despite the fact I'm running both NV/AMds latest gen gpus, I recommend everyone to go NV if upscaling and RT is your thing, or AMD if vram and high bandwidth is what you want.
However as you've brought it up again- better than native it is not imo, but here's some of your favourite Tech sites say DLSS is very good which no one can argue, but they also state how they prefer native or point out DLSS>FSR but DLSS breaks as well.
BFB gamer, Daniel Owen, GN have all said natives king, I can't help you if you can't absorb the bits you don't want to hear.
I'm entitled an opinion just as everyone else
Big pics below, but got to warn you DF's John points out DLSS breaks.
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And whenever a new DLSS launches, how come DF amongst other tech press points out DLSS deficiencies that are improved on with the new version probably pointed out by NV themselves in the press release to the tech press?
Again this post doesn't say DLSS is not good, again it's a great tech and the best in the business at doing what it does.
If I still had my 3080 I'd have no option but to turn it on as it aged like milk, but it would still not be better than native.
Again this post doesn't say DLSS is not good, again it's a great tech and the best in the business at doing what it does.
If I still had my 3080 I'd have no option but to turn it on as it aged like milk, but it would still not be better than native.
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You are only entitled to an opinion when it's being positive about Nvidia and agreeing with everything that is said positively about them !
Native will always be king, but the issue has been that devs have been quite lax on the AA front and have had mostly mediocre TAA implementations which is why TAAU solutions (like DLSS et al) have actually managed to be so close to "native". Personally the big image quality improvement I'm waiting for is the ATAA (Temporal Antialiasing with Adaptive Ray Tracing) that they talked about as early as Turing. It's definitely expensive but it's really the only solution to better AA outside of supersampling (which is pretty much impossible for new games, esp. without granular control over settings as it relates to resolution scaling etc.)
developer.nvidia.com
SIGGRAPH 2019: Ray Tracing Gems 1.1 - Improving Temporal Antialiasing
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Despite the fact I'm running both NV/AMds latest gen gpus, I recommend everyone to go NV if upscaling and RT is your thing, or AMD if vram and high bandwidth is what you want.
However as you've brought it up again- better than native it is not imo, but here's some of your favourite Tech sites say DLSS is very good which no one can argue, but they also state how they prefer native or point out DLSS>FSR but DLSS breaks as well.
BFB gamer, Daniel Owen, GN have all said natives king, I can't help you if you can't absorb the bits you don't want to hear.
I'm entitled an opinion just as everyone else
Big pics below, but got to warn you DF's John points out DLSS breaks.
Yep. Horses for corses. Personal preference thing imo. I do like having DLSS as an option myself and value it. But I don't kid myself and think it is flawless. It just has reached a point I am happy with it for a while now.
Despite the fact I'm running both NV/AMds latest gen gpus, I recommend everyone to go NV if upscaling and RT is your thing, or AMD if vram and high bandwidth is what you want.
However as you've brought it up again- better than native it is not imo, but here's some of your favourite Tech sites say DLSS is very good which no one can argue, but they also state how they prefer native or point out DLSS>FSR but DLSS breaks as well.
BFB gamer, Daniel Owen, GN have all said natives king, I can't help you if you can't absorb the bits you don't want to hear.
I'm entitled an opinion just as everyone else
Big pics below, but got to warn you DF's John points out DLSS breaks.
Classic case of picking the bits to suit said narrative
We all know you can pick out areas where native looks better (I could do this too) but this isn't the point, if you have followed the upscaling scene per game basis and so on, you will generally see that the "overall" judgement is that dlss is often better than native most of the time and this is coming from DF too. Heck TPU articles is basically the same every time with regards to dlss enhancing detail, having better temporal stability, even HU have done videos to show where dlss can and does beat out native and their testing was pretty flawed in the sense too, they didn't update their dlss versions, which would have resolved the issues they had which caused them to pick native over dlss i.e. shimmering being the main complaint.
It was gamer nexus who even started the "better than native" motto.
Who has said dlss is perfect? Of course there is room for improvement, you're missing the point of where the agreement is that dlss more often than not provides better than native in the following areas:
- temporal stability i.e. less shimmering, aliasing
- enhancing detail in the distance
- less ghosting
Is this guaranteed 100% of the time in every single frame in every game? Of course not but this is the case for the majority of gameplay time where dlss only improves upon native.
Native will always be king, but the issue has been that devs have been quite lax on the AA front and have had mostly mediocre TAA implementations which is why TAAU solutions (like DLSS et al) have actually managed to be so close to "native". Personally the big image quality improvement I'm waiting for is the ATAA (Temporal Antialiasing with Adaptive Ray Tracing) that they talked about as early as Turing. It's definitely expensive but it's really the only solution to better AA outside of supersampling (which is pretty much impossible for new games, esp. without granular control over settings as it relates to resolution scaling etc.)
SIGGRAPH 2019: Ray Tracing Gems 1.1 - Improving Temporal Antialiasing
Exactly.
If all you care about is a pin sharp image then anything that uses TAA as it's base is never going to be good to your eyes but as shown, games are made with this in mind where if you remove TAA entirely, the game just has what looks like artifacting especially rdr 2, people bang on oh just use smaa, msaa etc. but reality is, games look awful without TAA as evidenced many times now, not to mention, kill performance, to say just buy a better gpu and run native, well when a 4090 is ******** the bed at native and even with upscaling there, what exactly do you buy lol.....
Personally I can't stand temporal stability issues, my eyes are more sensitive to this than a slight loss in detail in some piece of cloth.
Problem is as per usual, if you use upscaling (which everyone using high refresh rate or/and high res displays will be unless they are sacrificing visual settings elsewhere and well for me, no thanks), there is only one option here and that's nvidias dlss, I sooner buy a 4090 than have to resort to using fsr or/and reduce settings, each to their own though
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I'm missing nothing but a random gamer on a forum who's GPU can't cut it anymore and resorted to streaming games, telling me my eyesights duff on a 65" QD Oled.
When everyone else's choices don't matter or are 'wrong', asks for proof, gets it-even from NV's largest YT partner, ignores it and starts repeating their own opinion as fact all over again.
That's what I'm missing, absolutely nothing.
When everyone else's choices don't matter or are 'wrong', asks for proof, gets it-even from NV's largest YT partner, ignores it and starts repeating their own opinion as fact all over again.
That's what I'm missing, absolutely nothing.
Oooof jimmies rustled I sense
Seems you are only reading the points you want to as usual as nowhere did I disagree with your points, simply pointed out that as per usual, very selective in order to suit said narrative and perfectly evidenced once again as don't come back to any of the points raised
Anyway, let's agree to disagree and enjoy your expensive paper weights that are getting 10-40 fps at 1080p, maybe even less since you have stated you don't use upscaling
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Yup I'm not sure why geforce now service annoys some so much, well I do for the listed reasons but some don't want to hear/accept it. Either that or just intentional baiting/trolling. I'm just glad nvidia have provided us another "option" which we can use and enjoy and gives everyone the opportunity to experience playable path tracing.
Maybe when 50xx arrives, games will start to get better optimised or/and the grunt will be there to brute force through ****** optimisation.
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When 2025 rolls around and the 5000 series gets released, Something new will pop its head up and we'll be saying "Well maybe by next gen this'll run better"
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Do you see yourself ever owning the hardware again? Not meant as a dig, but the benefits in the hardware include resale at the end to recoup some (not all) cost?
Call it 18 quid a month (assuming rates never go up) that's 216 per year. If gpu cycles are now 3 year, that's a cost of 648. You could probably cover that with resale of the 4090 when the 5090 comes out. And the graphics quality would be higher, as 4090 v 4080 (not disputing electricity cost). Plus the Internet level required is more expensive, (not sure how to value that but it would need consideration) add a tenner a month for the uplift from standard broadband to fibre (where available) and suddenly that's approaching 900.
Im not sure the cost saving is all that, plus you no longer have hardware - once you get into the rentals, if you decide to go back it's a hell of an outlay.
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It depends entirely on the game scene for pc, if games continue to release in the utter **** state they are (regardless of RT, look at cities skylines lmao) then I just don't see the point investing £££/££££ if those gpus are going to be ******** the bed as I simply would refuse to play games released in such a poor state thus not get any enjoyment from said hardware nor return for my money (until time of selling and as shown with previous halo flagships, you lose far more money come next gen mid/high end release e.g. 3090 for what £500-600 now? lol......). I honestly wouldn't be buying any current gen gpu with the way things are right now, this is where geforce now ultimate is nice, I'm not having to invest any serious money in to it and I will always have 1GB fibre internet regardless (it's used for far more than just streaming gaming, besides, I have seen people reporting ultimate runs great for them on lesser connections too so 1GB fibre isn't exactly required) so I don't consider this being a cost on top of geforce now.
Don't forget, I won't be paying every month, only time I'll take out a month or 2 is when there are games to play which wouldn't run as well on the 3080 i.e. path tracing only titles for the moment of which there are only 2 upcoming ones I'm interested in and that's AW 2 and HL 2 remix (which is still a long way of).
Basically, much like turing with the **** selection of RT games and dlss 1, I don't consider current gen GPUs costing £££/££££ to be worthy of purchasing unless things change for the better as happened with ampere and the improved RT games selection (as well as the RT effects) and dlss 2. Frame gen is a great tech. but as evidenced, you need a good base fps of 60 to experience the best from it, this is where I'm hoping 50xx will take a huge leap.
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