The RX Vega 64 Owners Thread

kundi · 16 Oct 2017 at 21:13

nashathedog said:
After reading what Videocardz were told by a Gigabyte rep I think it's pretty obvious that AMD tried to fob off their board partners with the C0 revision chips that weren't suitable for the air-cooled reference Vega.

https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-radeon-rx-vega-64-gaming-oc-pictured

From that it seems that AMD tried to pass the C0 chips on to the board partners in the hope that they would make a beefy enough air cooler for them, The only way the C0's were usable was with water-cooling and the fact that they tried to sell the lesser chip in the flagship card is disgusting and I imagine they've burnt any trust they'd built up with the board partners, I just hope it isn't only Gigabyte who complained and got a new batch of chips, If I can get a Sapphire Tri-x with a C1 chip for around 5 to 6 hundred that''ll do me.

Contrary to previous reports (which by the way were true, but Gigabyte changed their story after they received a new batch of Vega chips) the company is indeed making a custom Radeon RX Vega 64.

WhyCry's statement is a load of crap, basically him trying to cover poor journalism.

Gigabyte rep posted about on reddit about the cards like 2 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6t5g57/aorus_x_rx_vega/

Here's the rep's response to WhyCry's post when the article first surfaced that Gigabyte was not making a custom card: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...no_to_custom_radeon_rx/dnm1m4q/?context=10000

Panos · 16 Oct 2017 at 23:48

AMDMatt said:
Thanks mate, i do intend to test the latest games so will update the channel a few times a month at least.

Have a Threadripper 1950x and 2x Vega 64 system as well, but i find myself spending most of my time on the 'well oiled and tuned' Ryzen 1800x 4.075Ghz and Vega 64 1802/1100Mhz system @ 3440x1440.

I would class Vega 64 as the perfect GPU from AMD at this resolution for maintaining 60-100HZ FreeSync.

I was browsing tonight your videos. If your Vega 64 watercooled?
Asking because the DX11 BF1 4K Ultra with the 1800X and Vega 64, you score almost twice as much FPS as others with 7700K @ 5ghz or 7820X @ 4.3Ghz and Vega64 on 4K Ultra.
And same perf with GTX1080Ti, according to some reviews, like the Anad one.

silversurfer · 17 Oct 2017 at 00:19

Not my business to answer but I believe it is water, https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31062755

TheRealDeal · 17 Oct 2017 at 00:29

nashathedog said:
I think AMD graphics tend to look better too.

In my experiece they do. My mate has both sitting side by side on 4k monitors and the AMD side on a 290x looks way better than the 1080ti on a Gsync monitor. The Gsync monitor is higher end as well.

Panos said:
I was browsing tonight your videos. If your Vega 64 watercooled?
Asking because the DX11 BF1 4K Ultra with the 1800X and Vega 64, you score almost twice as much FPS as others with 7700K @ 5ghz or 7820X @ 4.3Ghz and Vega64 on 4K Ultra.
And same perf with GTX1080Ti, according to some reviews, like the Anad one.

He has the AIO water cooled i believe.

LtMatt · 17 Oct 2017 at 07:31

Panos said:
I was browsing tonight your videos. If your Vega 64 watercooled?
Asking because the DX11 BF1 4K Ultra with the 1800X and Vega 64, you score almost twice as much FPS as others with 7700K @ 5ghz or 7820X @ 4.3Ghz and Vega64 on 4K Ultra.
And same perf with GTX1080Ti, according to some reviews, like the Anad one.

It's using the AIO yes.

Which video are you referring to, I've uploaded a few for BF1?

Nemesis.ie · 17 Oct 2017 at 08:33

This IQ thing needs to be investigated further, if NV are rendering a lower quality image, it would not be surprising if more frames are produced.

TrixX · 17 Oct 2017 at 08:41

Nemesis.ie said:
This IQ thing needs to be investigated further, if NV are rendering a lower quality image, it would not be surprising if more frames are produced.

Indeed it does, there's a heap of tricks to render things fast, but it reduces quality by quite a bit. Nvidia always look washed out to me too, colours seem to pop more with the AMD's and even with the increased saturation ability in the Nvidia driver it still feels off...

I'll try to get a comparison card at some point and do a where's wally on the details

Nemesis.ie · 17 Oct 2017 at 08:52

Given the 1080 and Ti images I've seen look identical, anyone with even a 1070 or perhaps an older card might be able to get some data for this, we don't really care about performance for the initial comparison to prove the theory.

A canned benchmark shot on the same monitor with a camera might be an idea, if someone had access to calibration equipment so the brightness/contrast and saturation could be set the same, then just the rendering could be compared more accurately but that could be "phase 2".

I do have some of that gear, but no NV card and vision issues at the moment.

TrixX · 17 Oct 2017 at 09:30

I know a mate with a 1070 but won't be able to borrow it. Looking into other avenues at the moment.

nashathedog · 17 Oct 2017 at 11:02

kundi said:
WhyCry's statement is a load of crap, basically him trying to cover poor journalism.

Gigabyte rep posted about on reddit about the cards like 2 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6t5g57/aorus_x_rx_vega/

Here's the rep's response to WhyCry's post when the article first surfaced that Gigabyte was not making a custom card: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...no_to_custom_radeon_rx/dnm1m4q/?context=10000

Thanks for the link and info, It's a shame that we get so much rubbish written up as fact but I suppose that's what we should expect on a platform were anyone can claim to be anything. We get loads of fud from sites like WCCFTech I had hoped WhyCry was a bit more selective.

nashathedog · 17 Oct 2017 at 11:12

TheRealDeal said:
In my experiece they do. My mate has both sitting side by side on 4k monitors and the AMD side on a 290x looks way better than the 1080ti on a Gsync monitor. The Gsync monitor is higher end as well.

Nemesis.ie said:
This IQ thing needs to be investigated further, if NV are rendering a lower quality image, it would not be surprising if more frames are produced.

TrixX said:
Indeed it does, there's a heap of tricks to render things fast, but it reduces quality by quite a bit. Nvidia always look washed out to me too, colours seem to pop more with the AMD's and even with the increased saturation ability in the Nvidia driver it still feels off...

I'll try to get a comparison card at some point and do a where's wally on the details

Some of the members here looked into the image quality differences between Nvidia and AMD cards a while back, I think it when Battlefield 4 released and I think Gregster was one of the guy's who did some side by side shot's,
It was put down to being Nvidia's default settings which were slightly different to AMD's giving it a more washed out look,
From what I remember it could be tweaked to look the same with no performance penalty.

sharmanov · 17 Oct 2017 at 12:48

nlos said:
Guess what? I think it was a PSU problem, like you said. I would have never thought a 1000W PSU (Corsair HX1000i) would have any problems with my system, but it did. My problem was that I was using only a single PCIE cable from the PSU to the graphics card. It was one of those pigtail cables with 2x8pin. The manual that came with the PSU didn't say anything about it, so I plugged in the pigtail to the second 8pin.

However I read somewhere else online that people were comparing whether to run 1 or 2 PCIE cables to the GPU and in some instances it worked with 2 cables and not with a 1 with a pigtail (they were older threads and didn't include Vega in the discussion). So instead of using the pigtail, I ran a separate PCIE cable (which also has a pigtail - not pretty ). I loaded up my old trusty XCOM 2 WotC save file that had crashed my system at least 15 times, 100% of the time, in the past. It went past the crashing point without any hiccups. I did notice the coil whine noise was intermittent at that point in the game. Also the coil whine was significantly quieter! Perhaps there were some really high peaks and lows and it was too much for the single rail.

Now I get to do a lot more testing! Thank you so much for your help mate! You were the first one to put me in the right direction.

Lessons learned guys: always run separate PCIE power cables for your RX Vega 64, even with a 1000W PSU.

Sweet dude :cool:

old gamer · 17 Oct 2017 at 12:53

nashathedog said:
Some of the members here looked into the image quality differences between Nvidia and AMD cards a while back, I think it when Battlefield 4 released and I think Gregster was one of the guy's who did some side by side shot's,
It was put down to being Nvidia's default settings which were slightly different to AMD's giving it a more washed out look,
From what I remember it could be tweaked to look the same with no performance penalty.

i had a mess about looking at differences, i found nvidia could be tweaked to look better but just felt amd had the edge on iq
with battlefield 3 there were some things that looked better with nvidia and vice versa, i think the most obvious was indoor darker areas nvidia looked better and amd for outdoor brighter areas but didnt think it was much of a big deal to worry about

Panos · 17 Oct 2017 at 12:55

TrixX said:
Indeed it does, there's a heap of tricks to render things fast, but it reduces quality by quite a bit. Nvidia always look washed out to me too, colours seem to pop more with the AMD's and even with the increased saturation ability in the Nvidia driver it still feels off...

I'll try to get a comparison card at some point and do a where's wally on the details

And I thought something was wrong with the monitor when went back to WoT after two months break, and hadn't used it with the 1080ti.

Btw do you have any test method? I still have the FuryX, and no issue spend fee hours generating some data/videos to compare quality. Albeit I do not have a vega card yet.

TrixX · 17 Oct 2017 at 13:02

I don't have all the gear to test yet. Currently both my monitors suffer from a problem (one has a black deficiency and the other has problem with green intensity being continually maxed out). New monitors will be bought soon though (Nov I think).

nashathedog · 17 Oct 2017 at 13:23

old gamer said:
i had a mess about looking at differences, i found nvidia could be tweaked to look better but just felt amd had the edge on iq
with battlefield 3 there were some things that looked better with nvidia and vice versa, i think the most obvious was indoor darker areas nvidia looked better and amd for outdoor brighter areas but didnt think it was much of a big deal to worry about

What I took from it was that out of the box settings looked better on AMD. I do remember a screenshot comparison of a quiet city road on one of the Bf4 city maps where the difference you mention was easily seen by something black on the side of a building. Maybe a poster?

old gamer · 17 Oct 2017 at 14:11

nashathedog said:
What I took from it was that out of the box settings looked better on AMD. I do remember a screenshot comparison of a quiet city road on one of the Bf4 city maps where the difference you mention was easily seen by something black on the side of a building. Maybe a poster?

I switched from a 290 to 970 sli to 290 crossfire to 980 sli to a fury, there was just something about the amd cards iq I preferd, nothing massive but enough to keep me with amd

mattyc123 · 17 Oct 2017 at 17:09

Well I have an air that says it is a c1 but it doesn't oc well at all it runs 1670 at 1.18v

sharmanov · 17 Oct 2017 at 17:45

Has anyone tried these new Beta driver from AMD for the Microsoft Fall Creators update?
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details...all-creators-update-beta-driver-download.html

kundi · 17 Oct 2017 at 18:01

sharmanov said:
Has anyone tried these new Beta driver from AMD for the Microsoft Fall Creators update?
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details...all-creators-update-beta-driver-download.html

I installed it this morning before I went to work. It's a little bit buggy. Myself and another person confirmed the Crimson UI sometimes crashes if you try to resize while HBCC is enabled.