The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

[gupsterg]

Yes, ComboPi-AM4 1.0.0.3 definitely reduced boost clocks compared to earlier AGESAs. I'm sure they'll fix this eventually.

Might not be a bug...

AGESA 1.0.0.3 Patch ABB on Asus TUF x570. Not noticed any difference yet, 3600x will still only boost to 4267Mhz all by itself.

I get ACB of 4.2GHz regardless of UEFI/AGESA, where I note the difference is when using PBO+xxxMHz, view the 2 WMVs in this ZIP.

Any UEFI using AGESA 1.0.0.2 or earlier results in ~4.3-4.34GHz ACB in non extreme loads, any UEFI using a later UEFI CPU barely breaks past 4.275GHz...

 

[marc69]

I'd test if it's boosting to what it says on the tin. Try Cinebench single core test.
I still can't figure mine out so just did an all core OC in Ryzen Master to what it supposed to boost to, but at 1.375v, tho it's on water.

Cheers for that.

I've tried but it doesn't seem to be able to reach 4ghz whilst running cinebench


2013 subaru wrx quarter mile

Setup:
Ryzen 3600 (using hyper 212 black edition cooler)
Hyper X 2666mhz 16gb
MSI Tomahawk B450 Max
Corsair RM1000x

I've downloaded all of the latest chipset drivers etc

Thanks,
Marc

 

[humbug]

Cheers for that.

I've tried but it doesn't seem to be able to reach 4ghz whilst running cinebench


2013 subaru wrx quarter mile

Setup:
Ryzen 3600 (using hyper 212 black edition cooler)
Hyper X 2666mhz 16gb
MSI Tomahawk B450 Max
Corsair RM1000x

I've downloaded all of the latest chipset drivers etc

Thanks,
Marc

Exactly the same as mine, i did manage 4.15Ghz at 1.425v manual overclock.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...nchmark-thread.18849380/page-22#post-32941972

 

[marc69]

Exactly the same as mine, i did manage 4.15Ghz at 1.425v manual overclock.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...nchmark-thread.18849380/page-22#post-32941972

Kind of comforting knowing I'm not the only one but it's a bit frustrating that they aren't hitting the advertised boost speeds...

 

[humbug]

Kind of comforting knowing I'm not the only one but it's a bit frustrating that they aren't hitting the advertised boost speeds...

Yeah, i'm a little suspicious, seeing some of the higher end ones like the 3800X and 3900X boosting to 4.5Ghz. The thing feels like its artificially gimped because in games 12 threads or 24 threads it makes no difference, the only thing that matters when you have that many threads is clock speed so if its boosting as high as a 3800X the gaming performance you get is the same

Maybe it is just binning. Maybe 3800X / 3900X are just better silicon but it says 4.2Ghz on the box and i have never seen it boost to that in any application or game, it hovers around 4.1Ghz in most games, come on AMD, give me my 100Mhz.

 

[Orange Nexus]

Kind of comforting knowing I'm not the only one but it's a bit frustrating that they aren't hitting the advertised boost speeds...

In Cine MT, all cores will boost the same around 3.9GHz. In ST, one or two cores will boost higher than others. Agesa 1002 can make those two cores boost to 4.2GHz. The newer Agesa looks like applies less voltage thus lower boost.

 

[Justo]

My 3600x boosts to 4.350 on single core under a corsair aio in cinebench im on an x470 ultra gaming which im changing to b450 tomahawk max as one of my bios's have failed,its a dual bios with no switch so im getting shut of it, hopefully will boost the same on the tomahawk

 

[melmac]

What a problematic upgrade this has turned out to be. I got my 3600, x570 motherboard and 16GB ram last week.

First there were issues with the boost and the clocks staying on high no matter what was happening. Got that sorted by running the power saver, my motherboard needs MSI to release BIOS update with the 1.0.0.3ab code to properly fix it so I can use other power plans.

Then, I was getting Whea Logger errors and StoreAHCI 129 errors in the event viewer and things weren't running great. I managed to fix these by reinstalling the Nvidia drivers and running a windows update.

But, on Tuesday, out of the blue, the storeahci errors returned and the system started to crawl. So I spent Wednesday morning doing some googling and it seems like this is a common problem. One of the solutions is to enable ahci link in the power management and set it to active. Which I did and this solved the StoreAhci problems and my system was back to running smoothly, or so I thought.

This morning I went to turn on my computer and couldn't find any boot device. I had a USB key with Gparted on it, loaded it up and when it listed the drives, two of them were listed as unsupported format. One of them was the boot drive, the other was my data drive. I took them out and put them into another computer and Window said they were unformatted disks and needed to be initialised before I could use them. I have managed to get back both disks using a combination of Testdisk 7.0 and windows check disk. But, I don't know what happened them. I have ran several checks on both drives and they have passed every one. Have tested both for viruses using several different programs and they have come back clean.

I wonder what adventures await me tomorrow.

 

[tamzzy]

@melmac i think the whea issues are bios related. gigabyte has/had the same issues as well until the latest bios released (agesa 1003ABB)

 

[gpuerrilla]

Have to ship the mobo back to get BIOS update unless I can find someone that has an older CPU just to pop in and flash to enable the new 3600

 

[humbug]

Have to ship the mobo back to get BIOS update unless I can find someone that has an older CPU just to pop in and flash to enable the new 3600

Have you got the receipt for the CPU? AMD will send you a free Athlon 200G so you can update the BIOS.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...pgrade-kit-for-ryzen-3000-motherboard-updates

When i say free, it is but you have to send it back in a provided pre paid package once done, you don't get to keep it.

Edit: i love the way they talk about power consumption being the reason for not wanting an X570, an X470 instead, its not the 7 watts power difference, literally no one cares about that... its the price...

Some tech journos are idiots.

 

[R3v4n]

I'm still running the v17 BIOS on my B450M Mortar, it's totally stable at the moment so don't want to risk the new v19 BIOS bodging it up I'll wait for a few more releases .

My 3600X is totally stock though, PBO doesn't really do anything at all so switched it off, might try PBO Enhanced 4 in the BIOS settings or maybe 100-200Mhz boost on the PBO see if it makes any difference. RAM is also only running at 3200Mhz with the XMP profile I have no idea really how manual RAM overclocking works so hesistant to mess around with it, 3600Mhz is ideal I think? Is my RAM likely to be able to get to 3600Mhz (Vulan T-Force 16GB 3200)?

 

[humbug]

I'm still running the v17 BIOS on my B450M Mortar, it's totally stable at the moment so don't want to risk the new v19 BIOS bodging it up I'll wait for a few more releases .

My 3600X is totally stock though, PBO doesn't really do anything at all so switched it off, might try PBO Enhanced 4 in the BIOS settings or maybe 100-200Mhz boost on the PBO see if it makes any difference. RAM is also only running at 3200Mhz with the XMP profile I have no idea really how manual RAM overclocking works so hesistant to mess around with it, 3600Mhz is ideal I think? Is my RAM likely to be able to get to 3600Mhz (Vulan T-Force 16GB 3200)?

PBO + ????Mhz will get you higher Mhz, at the cost of automatic higher volts, those volts could be over what is safe.

I have my CL15-17-17 3000Mhz RAM running at 3333Mhz CL16-17-17. wont boot at 3400 even with DRam Calculator settings, i'm not giving up on 3400Mhz, i'm gradually changing DRam Calculator sub-timings one or two at a time ready for 3400Mhz to see if any one is the cause for the issue and then playing with that one till its stable, and then changing to 3400Mhz.

There is another way to get the same gaming performance as running higher RAM without running higher RAM speed, keep it at 3200Mhz but push the FLK to 1700/1800/1900Mhz, whatever it will do, its the Infinity Fabric Clock, usually tied to RAM speed, you can decouple it with Ryzen 3000... unfortunately it turns out I can't. even in Ryzen Master, My Motherboard wont allow it, too low end i guess.

 

[R3v4n]

PBO + ????Mhz will get you higher Mhz, at the cost of automatic higher volts, those volts could be over what is safe.

I have my CL15-17-17 3000Mhz RAM running at 3333Mhz CL16-17-17. wont boot at 3400 even with DRam Calculator settings, i'm not giving up on 3400Mhz, i'm gradually changing DRam Calculator sub-timings one or two at a time ready for 3400Mhz to see if any one is the cause for the issue and then playing with that one till its stable, and then changing to 3400Mhz.

There is another way to get the same gaming performance as running higher RAM without running higher RAM speed, keep it at 3200Mhz but push the FLK to 1700/1800/1900Mhz, whatever it will do, its the Infinity Fabric Clock, usually tied to RAM speed, you can decouple it with Ryzen 3000... unfortunately it turns out I can't. even in Ryzen Master, My Motherboard wont allow it, too low end i guess.

Yeah that's kind of what I was afraid by just adding +Mhz to the PBO, in case it fries itself lol. Maybe I'll just stick with Enhanced 4 see what that does, I assume since it's a preset it should be safe.

Oh interesting, do you just change the Infinty fabric clock in Ryzen master or in the BIOS?

 

[humbug]

Yeah that's kind of what I was afraid by just adding +Mhz to the PBO, in case it fries itself lol. Maybe I'll just stick with Enhanced 4 see what that does, I assume since it's a preset it should be safe.

Oh interesting, do you just change the Infinty fabric clock in Ryzen master or in the BIOS?

If your board has it unlocked you will find it in the BIOS, In Ryzen Master it looks like this (First Image) if its not going to work because the board says "No #### off!!!!" it will tell you what you see in the second image, so you can easily find out by setting decoupled mode in RM, setting a higher IF and apply it.

 

[z10m]

If your board has it unlocked you will find it in the BIOS, In Ryzen Master it looks like this (First Image) if its not going to work because the board says "No #### off!!!!" it will tell you what you see in the second image, so you can easily find out by setting decoupled mode in RM, setting a higher IF and apply it.

Ryzen master doesn't let me do that either even tho my bios does so it might not be motherboard/bios related.

 

[melmac]

@melmac i think the whea issues are bios related. gigabyte has/had the same issues as well until the latest bios released (agesa 1003ABB)

Reinstalling the Nvidia drivers after the chipset drivers solved the Whea-Logger problems for me. But, yeah, there are still issues to be sorted, I wish MSI would hurry up and release the latest Agesa BIOS already.

 

[humbug]

Ryzen master doesn't let me do that either even tho my bios does so it might not be motherboard/bios related.

Ah... i see, unfortunately its not in my BIOS, thank's for the Info, i didn't know

 

[Chrisc]

Has anybody had issues with MSI boards?

i have a b450 mortar and i installed the CPU last night and it benchmarked fine, i then enabled game mode and XMP profile, it would do the benchmark demo but as the actual benchmark was about to start, the whole PC would just shut off. i turned game boost off and rebooted but now i am getting a CPU error on the EZ debug notification on the board. At that point it was midnight and i needed sleep so i havent been able to dig around for answers.

Also, the bios was also updated prior to installation of the CPU.

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Have you got the receipt for the CPU? AMD will send you a free Athlon 200G so you can update the BIOS.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...pgrade-kit-for-ryzen-3000-motherboard-updates

When i say free, it is but you have to send it back in a provided pre paid package once done, you don't get to keep it.

I considered it but it could be a longer wait than expected and still be like you say some shipping involved. Cheapest cpu to do it is between 30-40 quid so not going that route. Major pain in the butt, miss the mainland for reasons like this.