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The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

R3v4n said:
I'm still running the v17 BIOS on my B450M Mortar, it's totally stable at the moment so don't want to risk the new v19 BIOS bodging it up I'll wait for a few more releases :p.

My 3600X is totally stock though, PBO doesn't really do anything at all so switched it off, might try PBO Enhanced 4 in the BIOS settings or maybe 100-200Mhz boost on the PBO see if it makes any difference. RAM is also only running at 3200Mhz with the XMP profile I have no idea really how manual RAM overclocking works so hesistant to mess around with it, 3600Mhz is ideal I think? Is my RAM likely to be able to get to 3600Mhz (Vulan T-Force 16GB 3200)?
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You're lucky, i cannot get my memory above 2133 without the whole system bricking itself. ive tried XMP and manual timings, it just doesnt care.
 
After messing around with this most of the weekend, my fabric clock is actually 1800Mhz already with my RAM only at 1600(3200 XMP) and it does that by default I can manually OC the RAM to 3600Mhz as well but it doesn't seem to give me any performance gain, I can't set the fabric clock any higher it just crashes.

Managed to get an all core 4.3Ghz OC gave me a decent increase in cinebench (around 100-120 points average) but translated to 1-2 FPS in Anthem which is quite a heavy CPU game, so performance gain is so neglible that it's not worth the hassle.

I assume these 3600X's are already pretty much on the limit in terms of performance because they don't seem to OC much and even when they do performance gain is pretty insignificant.
 
Just switched my main unRAID server to an Ryzen 5 3600 with 16GB of ECC RAM, and its been absolutely phenomenal
I would definitely recommend this CPU, it runs cool and the increase in speed from an old 6 core Xeon when unzipping / transcoding is insane

All in a 65w package!
 
Kind of R5 3600 related, but also generic Ryzen 3xxx as well. Finally got back to testing today, after leaving the test B450 + R5 3600 system on for long term platform stability test and with a total uptime of 23 days for the second test and 7 days on the first test. RAM an IF have been locked at 3600MHz C16 and 1800MHz respectively, and it was running from a Windows 10 1903 install on a Samsung NVMe M.2 SSD

The system has been running a script of realistic loads, forcing the system to be idle for short periods and also a few long periods, also under 100% CPU load in excess of 48 hours at a time, and mixed CPU and GPU loads for similar amounts of time, as well as I/O testing with a capture card and disk I/O.

I am very happy with the results of the testing, showing zero errors or events that were critical in nature, there was one minor hiccup with the NIC, but I think that was down the I.T. bods messing with the switches or something as it was fine for the rest of the time. :)
 
Journey said:
Kind of R5 3600 related, but also generic Ryzen 3xxx as well. Finally got back to testing today, after leaving the test B450 + R5 3600 system on for long term platform stability test and with a total uptime of 23 days for the second test and 7 days on the first test. RAM an IF have been locked at 3600MHz C16 and 1800MHz respectively, and it was running from a Windows 10 1903 install on a Samsung NVMe M.2 SSD

The system has been running a script of realistic loads, forcing the system to be idle for short periods and also a few long periods, also under 100% CPU load in excess of 48 hours at a time, and mixed CPU and GPU loads for similar amounts of time, as well as I/O testing with a capture card and disk I/O.

I am very happy with the results of the testing, showing zero errors or events that were critical in nature, there was one minor hiccup with the NIC, but I think that was down the I.T. bods messing with the switches or something as it was fine for the rest of the time. :)
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What B450 are you running, if you dont mind me asking?
 
Journey said:
That one is an MSI Mortar, but I have another identical test on an ASRock X470 board which is a few days behind.
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Which Bios are you running? im on v19 and i cannot even remotely touch my Ram without the whole Rig bricking it. I have been advised to move back down to V17 but im not entirely sure if i should do or just keep with it until the next bios and hope i can increase the Memory speed.
 
Chrisc said:
Which Bios are you running? im on v19 and i cannot even remotely touch my Ram without the whole Rig bricking it. I have been advised to move back down to V17 but im not entirely sure if i should do or just keep with it until the next bios and hope i can increase the Memory speed.
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I'm not in front of the machine presently, I am pretty sure it was the one available at launch as obviously it hasn't been upgraded during the 30 days of testing, lets no forget these have only been out 6 weeks. :)

When I get back to it later today, or maybe on Friday I'll double check but I'm spinning too many plates at the moment.
 
You guys with the 3600X complaining you can't get over 4.3Ghz quit it and think of me, i can't get my 3600 over 4.15Ghz :p i think you are defiantly better binned.

I've had a lot of fun playing with the RAM tho, these are not great IC's, they are Hynix AFR, tho as i understand it AFR have better performance at the same speed than MFR on other branded kits, tighter sub timings.

I managed to get them to 3333Mhz with DramCalc, 3400Mhz is no go, but i'm thinking again as the 'Fast' timings for that are 16-19-19-38-60, DramClac Fast at 3200Mhz gives me 16-17-17-30-38, so much tighter.

The fun continues.
 
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Journey said:
I'm not in front of the machine presently, I am pretty sure it was the one available at launch as obviously it hasn't been upgraded during the 30 days of testing, lets no forget these have only been out 6 weeks. :)

When I get back to it later today, or maybe on Friday I'll double check but I'm spinning too many plates at the moment.
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Cheers mate
 
8700K vs Ryzen 3600

Assassin's Creed Odyssey:
8700K. 107 (+4%)
3600. 103

Project Cars
8700K. 105 (+10%)
3600. 94

Metro Exodus
8700K. 152 (+3%)
3600. 147

Battlefield 5
8700K. 160 (+2%)
3600. 156

PUBG
8700K. 107 (+4%)
3600. 103

HITMAN 2
8700K. 87 (+7%)
3600. 81

Kingdom Come Deliverance
8700K. 78 (+7%)
3600. 73

GTA 5 Redux
8700K. 87 (+13%)
3600. 77

The Witcher 3
8700K. 146 (+3%)
3600. 142

Watch Dogs 2
8700K. 105 (+8%)
3600. 97

 
humbug said:
You guys with the 3600X complaining you can't get over 4.3Ghz quit it and think of me, i can't get my 3600 over 4.15Ghz :p i think you are defiantly better binned.

I've had a lot of fun playing with the RAM tho, these are not great IC's, they are Hynix AFR, tho as i understand it AFR have better performance at the same speed than MFR on other branded kits, tighter sub timings.

I managed to get them to 3333Mhz with DramCalc, 3400Mhz is no go, but i'm thinking again as the 'Fast' timings for that are 16-19-19-38-60, DramClac Fast at 3200Mhz gives me 16-17-17-30-38, so much tighter.

The fun continues.
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I have the same Hynix afr chips and I can’t go over 3333 either, it’s just an instant no go.

I have however managed to get them to 3200mhz 14-17-17-18-28 via the memory calculator.
 
humbug said:
You guys with the 3600X complaining you can't get over 4.3Ghz quit it and think of me, i can't get my 3600 over 4.15Ghz :p i think you are defiantly better binned.

I've had a lot of fun playing with the RAM tho, these are not great IC's, they are Hynix AFR, tho as i understand it AFR have better performance at the same speed than MFR on other branded kits, tighter sub timings.

I managed to get them to 3333Mhz with DramCalc, 3400Mhz is no go, but i'm thinking again as the 'Fast' timings for that are 16-19-19-38-60, DramClac Fast at 3200Mhz gives me 16-17-17-30-38, so much tighter.

The fun continues.
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Have you tried going straight for 3600 or 3733? My sticks will not co-operate at anywhere between 3200 and 3600 but are happy at >=3600.
 
DragonQ said:
Have you tried going straight for 3600 or 3733? My sticks will not co-operate at anywhere between 3200 and 3600 but are happy at >=3600.
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No, i think like @Doobedoo i'm just going to leave it at lower Mhz but with good DRam Calc Timings, apparently its just as good as high Mhz.

"Manual" here being DRam Calc sub-timings.

Huge difference here between XMP 3000 and DRam Clac 3000... actually better than XMP 3800Mhz.

This is how you overclock Ryzen 3000 :D

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humbug said:
No, i think like @Doobedoo i'm just going to leave it at lower Mhz but with good DRam Calc Timings, apparently its just as good as high Mhz.

"Manual" here being DRam Calc sub-timings.

Huge difference here between XMP 3000 and DRam Clac 3000... actually better than XMP 3800Mhz.

This is how you overclock Ryzen 3000 :D
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Yes timings are more important beyond ~3000 MT/s than speed. However, 3733 MT/s might actually allow better timings anyway. For example, I can hit 3200 CL14 (8.75 ns) or 3733 CL16 (8.57 ns).
 
DragonQ said:
Yes timings are more important beyond ~3000 MT/s than speed. However, 3733 MT/s might actually allow better timings anyway. For example, I can hit 3200 CL14 (8.75 ns) or 3733 CL16 (8.57 ns).
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At 3333MT/s i'm already at 17-19-19.

DRam Calc return "Not Supported" at anything above 3466MT/s

I suppose i could try setting 1800Mhz in RM and leaving timings on Auto, see what happens, but i know doing that RM choses very lose timings, i would probably end up with CL30 if it works at all and TBH i cannot be chewed testing 20 or so Sub-Timings individually to get them tighter, that would take me days.

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humbug said:
At 3333MT/s i'm already at 17-19-19.

DRam Calc return "Not Supported" at anything above 3466MT/s

I suppose i could try setting 1800Mhz in RM and leaving timings on Auto, see what happens, but i know doing that RM choses very lose timings, i would probably end up with CL30 if it works at all and TBH i cannot be chewed testing 20 or so Sub-Timings individually to get them tighter, that would take me days.
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Is that after importing settings from Thaiphoon? I imported Thaiphoon XMP settings then tried the 3733 MT/s timings it recommended and it worked. I can't remember if I tried it with auto timings.

After that, I then went back to my 3200 MT/s optimised timings and "converted" them to 3733 MT/s values (just divide by 3200, multiply by 3733, and round up in most cases), and changed them a few at a time. All of them worked except for tWRR, tRDRD SCL, tWRWR SCL, which all needed to be nudged up by 1. Then I tightened all the primary timings (tCL, tRCDWR, tRCDRD, tRP, tRAS) and that's where I am now.
 
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