The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

kayone · 19 Jan 2020 at 05:50

Rossuk89 said:
If I got the 3600 and paired it with a MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC, would I need to do a BIOS update or anything prior?

On a website it is saying this for some reason:

"Warning! Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions"

I use this combination and a BIOS update was indeed needed. Very simple to to however on the mobo.

Scougar · 20 Jan 2020 at 00:36

Considering picking one of these up (or a 3600x) and pairing it with my MSI Tomahawk B350. Any issues ?

humbug · 20 Jan 2020 at 00:41

Scougar said:
Considering picking one of these up (or a 3600x) and pairing it with my MSI Tomahawk B350. Any issues ?

You will need to install this BIOS before the 3600X will work.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK

Orange Nexus · 20 Jan 2020 at 07:55

Scougar said:
Considering picking one of these up (or a 3600x) and pairing it with my MSI Tomahawk B350. Any issues ?

Like humbug said, a BIOS update is necessary. Got my R5 3600 paired with a B350F Strix and no issues.

Scramz · 20 Jan 2020 at 10:15

There really isnt any reason to try and OC these CPUs other than maybe losing a few degrees off the temps. The FPS difference from stock to OC is nothing.

TNA · 20 Jan 2020 at 10:50

Scramz said:
There really isnt any reason to try and OC these CPUs other than maybe losing a few degrees off the temps. The FPS difference from stock to OC is nothing.

Depends. If you get a good clocker you can get around a 10% boost like I did and also end up with better performing memory as when I am on my 4400MHz overclocked profile my memory performs better according to the benches I run. Latency improves for sure. Not to mention I do not get the spikes in temps and have lower temps overall.

I mean on stock I barely hit 4200MHz, usually around 4175MHz and that is not even on heavy loads. When I run heavy loads it goes to just under 4000MHz on all cores and runs hotter. When I run my overclocked profile I get 4400MHz on all cores locked, never goes below that and as a bonus I have lower temps as less power usage.

So yeah, still worth seeing if you have won the silicon lottery, although AMD seem to have improved their binning and it is harder now than ever before, not impossible.

RavenXXX2 · 20 Jan 2020 at 11:01

Yeah TNA is right, I picked up a recent batch 3600 and at stock it would hardly hit 4.1 in cinebench using up to 1.37V and 70c + temps. Dialed in 4.4Ghz at 1.275v in bios and it is rock stable with 60c temps. AMDs boost and voltage algorithm aint all that when finding a chips best voltage and speed.

TNA · 20 Jan 2020 at 11:07

RavenXXX2 said:
Yeah TNA is right, I picked up a recent batch 3600 and at stock it would hardly hit 4.1 in cinebench using up to 1.37V and 70c + temps. Dialed in 4.4Ghz at 1.275v in bios and it is rock stable with 60c temps. AMDs boost and voltage algorithm aint all that when finding a chips best voltage and speed.

Nice

Scramz · 20 Jan 2020 at 11:12

TNA said:
If you get a good clocker you can get around a 10% boost like I did and also end up with better performing memory as when I am on my 4400MHz overclocked profile my memory performs better according to the benches I run. Latency improves for sure. Not to mention I do not get the spikes in temps and have lower temps overall.

TNA said:
Depends. If you get a good clocker you can get around a 10% boost like I did and also end up with better performing memory as when I am on my 4400MHz overclocked profile my memory performs better according to the benches I run. Latency improves for sure. Not to mention I do not get the spikes in temps and have lower temps overall.

I mean on stock I barely hit 4200MHz, usually around 4175MHz and that is not even on heavy loads. When I run heavy loads it goes to just under 4000MHz on all cores and runs hotter. When I run my overclocked profile I get 4400MHz on all cores locked, never goes below that and as a bonus I have lower temps as less power usage.

So yeah, still worth seeing if you have won the silicon lottery, although AMD seem to have improved their binning and it is harder now than ever before, not impossible.

Interesting, I am using a 3600X, I can run 4.2Gh all core at 1.27, 4.3Ghz needs a fair bit more. When left on stock and doing general PC usage and gaming the cores hover between 4.3Ghz and 4.4Ghz most of the time and this is with stock, PBO and Auto OC disabled. I don't do any rendering so I am not using heavy loads on all cores.

Now in terms of gaming the difference in FPS over 4.2Ghz to 4.4Ghz is tiny from my testing with 3600Mhz RAM.

TNA · 20 Jan 2020 at 11:18

Scramz said:
Interesting, I am using a 3600X, I can run 4.2Gh all core at 1.27, 4.3Ghz needs a fair bit more. When left on stock and doing general PC usage and gaming the cores hover between 4.3Ghz and 4.4Ghz most of the time and this is with stock, PBO and Auto OC disabled. I don't do any rendering so I am not using heavy loads on all cores.

Now in terms of gaming the difference in FPS over 4.2Ghz to 4.4Ghz is tiny from my testing with 3600Mhz RAM.

Yeah, that is why I am on 4.4GHz. As I can easily go 4.5GHz all core, but it just ain't worth all the extra voltage and heat.

End of the day the point is some chips can still provide better performance at lower voltage than stock. Seems to be more the case on newer batches though.

Scramz · 20 Jan 2020 at 11:50

TNA said:
Yeah, that is why I am on 4.4GHz. As I can easily go 4.5GHz all core, but it just ain't worth all the extra voltage and heat.

End of the day the point is some chips can still provide better performance at lower voltage than stock. Seems to be more the case on newer batches though.

When overclocking do you allow for the volts to reduce on idle or do you set a static voltage 24/7?

Juicy Jama · 20 Jan 2020 at 12:16

Anyone streaming using one of these ?

Just started streaming so a complete noob but I keep getting frames dropped apparently due to high cpu but cant seem to see what it is

TNA · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:19

Scramz said:
When overclocking do you allow for the volts to reduce on idle or do you set a static voltage 24/7?

Thus far I have just used Ryzen Master. From what I can see even though apps show that the voltage is static, in ryzen master it's self the volts are dynamic.

humbug · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:27

@TNA Do you use voltage / Mhz off-sets?

is it locked to 4.4Ghz 1.27v or is that a boost target?

I don't know if my CPU is just a crap bin or if the motherboard is the problem, it wont do 4.2Ghz with anything less than about 1.45v and that for high stress loads is too high, when looking for a new motherboard i don't know if i should go for an X570 of some sort or a B450 Tomahawk Max, i don't know if its something on the X570 boards that make them better clockers or if its the CPU, if X570 isn't going to help my CPU clock there is no reason for me to get one.

TNA · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:31

humbug said:
@TNA Do you use voltage / Mhz off-sets?

is it locked to 4.4Ghz 1.27v or is that a boost target?

I don't know if my CPU is just a crap bin or if the motherboard is the problem, it wont do 4.2Ghz with anything less than about 1.45v and that for high stress loads is too high, when looking for a new motherboard i don't know if i should go for an X570 of some sort or a B450 Tomahawk Max, i don't know if its something on the X570 boards that make them better clockers or if its the CPU's if X570 isn't going to help my CPU clock there is no reason for me to get one.

I don't know if it is the Mobo, but I felt like the extra £70 or whatever it was worth it to have the latest tech at the time. All I can say is just enter your speed into Ryzen Master then put in the voltage. That is it. Cores still go to sleep and voltage when monitoring in Ryzen Master is dynamic.

Scramz · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:41

humbug said:
@TNA Do you use voltage / Mhz off-sets?

is it locked to 4.4Ghz 1.27v or is that a boost target?

I don't know if my CPU is just a crap bin or if the motherboard is the problem, it wont do 4.2Ghz with anything less than about 1.45v and that for high stress loads is too high, when looking for a new motherboard i don't know if i should go for an X570 of some sort or a B450 Tomahawk Max, i don't know if its something on the X570 boards that make them better clockers or if its the CPU, if X570 isn't going to help my CPU clock there is no reason for me to get one.

I am running a MSI B450 Mortar (About £80) and after further tests today mine is stable on 4.2Ghz at 1.25v. But as my CPU boosts to 4.4Ghz at stock I have decided to just stick with stock.

humbug · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:45

TNA said:
I don't know if it is the Mobo, but I felt like the extra £70 or whatever it was worth it to have the latest tech at the time. All I can say is just enter your speed into Ryzen Master then put in the voltage. That is it. Cores still go to sleep and voltage when monitoring in Ryzen Master is dynamic.

Ok.

Scramz said:
I am running a MSI B450 Motar (About £80) and after further tests today mine is stable on 4.2Ghz at 1.25v. But as my CPU boosts to 4.4Ghz at stock I have decided to just stick with stock.

Well that confirms its not just the Board, if you're running 4.2Ghz at 1.25v on that board.

Scramz · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:48

TNA said:
I don't know if it is the Mobo, but I felt like the extra £70 or whatever it was worth it to have the latest tech at the time. All I can say is just enter your speed into Ryzen Master then put in the voltage. That is it. Cores still go to sleep and voltage when monitoring in Ryzen Master is dynamic.

Do you need to apply the OC each time you restart to PC?

Scramz · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:49

humbug said:
Ok.

Well that confirms its not just the Board, if you're running 4.2Ghz at 1.25v on that board.

4.3Ghz over 1.3volts too. Might just be the chip.

humbug · 20 Jan 2020 at 14:50

Scramz said:
4.3Ghz over 1.3volts too. Might just be the chip.

Yeah i have a feeling it is.