The Ryzen 5 3600 Discussion Thread

humbug · 8 Feb 2020 at 21:53

Just reading a bit more about what's going on... you're playing with overclocks. have you lowerd the voltage from stock? if lets say its 1.35v stock and you lower it to 1.25v then the clocks will reduce from stock when more cores are loaded up, Ryzen's whole boost thing is dynamic, if it has the volts it will boost, if not it wont.

gpuerrilla · 8 Feb 2020 at 21:54

Over time the voltages scale back (under continued load), they are trying to manage the clocks for you without over-stressing the cpu. This will mean its not maxing out the core for a reason.

This is from the AMD rep on the tech:

Our boost formula is opportunistic based on VRM current, socket power, temperatures. Therefore: light workloads will have a higher boost, and heavier workloads will have a lower boost.

humbug · 8 Feb 2020 at 21:59

Th0nt said:
Over time the voltages scale back (under continued load), they are trying to manage the clocks for you without over-stressing the cpu. This will mean its not maxing out the core for a reason.

This is from the AMD rep on the tech:

Right but if you leave the volts alone there is no reason why a 3600 shouldn't boost past 4Ghz in light loads like games. It may only need 1.25v to run 2 cores at 4.1Ghz but more than that if running 4, if you're limiting the volts it will just reduce the boost clocks to remain stable with those volts.

With 6 cores running at 60% in games my volts are around 1.4v and 4.1Ghz+, at 6 cores 100% load its 1.35v at 4Ghz, it does all this automatically, it will always boost as high as it can, up to 4.2Ghz depending on temps and load + volts. Much like a modern GPU.

gpuerrilla · 8 Feb 2020 at 22:07

humbug said:
Right but if you leave the volts alone there is no reason why a 3600 shouldn't boost past 4Ghz in light loads like games. It may only need 1.25v to run 2 cores at 4.1Ghz but more than that if running 4, if you're limiting the volts it will just reduce the boost clocks to remain stable with those volts.

With 6 cores running at 60% in games my volts are around 1.4v and 4.1Ghz+, at 6 cores 100% load its 1.35v at 4Ghz.

Not disagreeing, but it doesnt work as simply as that. In your argument the '4' cores could be split over any of the six available, then you have the starred faster cores if you want to divvy up the tasks to manually select the best case. Then you have the BIOS versions that produce better/worse clocks so the OP could just need to get an update there, have recent chipset drivers and optimise his BIOS settings to see an improvement.

humbug · 8 Feb 2020 at 22:11

Th0nt said:
Not disagreeing, but it doesnt work as simply as that. In your argument the '4' cores could be split over any of the six available, then you have the starred faster cores if you want to divvy up the tasks to manually select the best case. Then you have the BIOS versions that produce better/worse clocks so the OP could just need to get an update there, have recent chipset drivers and optimise his BIOS settings to see an improvement.

Yeah great point, i'm just wondering if @GregI has adjusted the volts, i have seen plenty of people do this and then wonder why its not boosting as high as it should, often thinking 1.4v+ is too high, it isn't, not under light loads, its behaving exactly as it should.

@GregI what motherboard and BIOS are you running and are you running the latest chip-set drivers?

gpuerrilla · 8 Feb 2020 at 22:14

humbug said:
Yeah great point, i'm just wondering if has adjusted the volts, i have seen plenty of people do this and then wonder why its not boosting as high as it should,

Yeah I agree some people were manually setting stuff which had a detrimental impact as you get clock stretching and on the offset appeared good using lower voltages but in actual performance the cpu performed worse.

TNA · 8 Feb 2020 at 23:02

humbug said:
I get over 4Ghz in games

Poor humbug

I will not be getting an early batch of 4000 series either

humbug · 8 Feb 2020 at 23:57

@GregI Mhz third line down... 4.15Ghz to 4.2Ghz.

GregI · 9 Feb 2020 at 02:07

Thanks I'll try and test Fortnnite tomorrow. I did this in Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/kBLUvDM.png

It's increased the load to about 3975 in OW and very brief glimpses of 4000 but doesn't seem to be going higher. I'm wondering if I should try a manual all core overclock of like 4.1? How would I go about that?

Mobo is the B450-f, latest 3003 BIOS and AMD chipset Version 1.7.29.0115 according to the b450-f support page

humbug · 9 Feb 2020 at 02:30

GregI said:
Thanks I'll try and test Fortnnite tomorrow. I did this in Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/kBLUvDM.png

It's increased the load to about 3975 in OW and very brief glimpses of 4000 but doesn't seem to be going higher. I'm wondering if I should try a manual all core overclock of like 4.1? How would I go about that?

Mobo is the B450-f, latest 3003 BIOS and AMD chipset Version 1.7.29.0115 according to the b450-f support page

You know what i would do... at this point i would save that profile in case you want to go back to it, click on Import/Export and export everything.

Then click on reset and Apply. once rebooted or whatever retest with it all at stock, see if your boost is behaving more like mine, you can always reimport the exported profile if you want to go back to it.

I haven't messed about with Ryzen master much, from what little i have i have already established that i didn't win the silicon lottery.

One thing i will say is those V-Core volts look high, when you run Cinebench or CPU-Z stress test what is your V-Core? should be under 1.4v, really no more than 1.38v, during gaming it can be a little over 1.4v.

This is how i have mine running, as you can see i have done nothing to the CPU its self, i turned it all off.

Edit: just looking at your BIOS now...
Edit 2: 3003 BIOS is the 1004B AGESA which is the latest.
This is the latest B450 Chip-Set Driver https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/b450

humbug · 9 Feb 2020 at 02:37

@TNA knows a lot more than i do, he has a good overclock on his 3600.

GregI · 9 Feb 2020 at 03:58

@humbug CPU-Z stress test on auto set me at 1.379v and PBO is roughly 1.375v

Regardless of setting I choose, Fortnite is basically the same clocks as Overwatch: https://i.imgur.com/tElvMxI.png

I'm beginning to think the board is just not suitable for boosting higher than 4Ghz. Is there like any other settings in the BIOS I should look at that would be stopping an automatic boost? All I did was press "Load Optimized defaults" and selected my RAM DOCP profile and made sure to select "Allow state control" so the CPU could idle at low voltages. I also set allow state control to Off and still no difference. Even running balanced or high performance ryzen power plan doesn't seem to do anything. I even used the stock windows high performance just to see, no change

Incase this is pertinent, when I installed amd chipset drivers for the first time from my fresh windows install yesterday it was from here: https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B450-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_Download/

I just installed those latest ones you linked (2020 ones) but one thing it says on the asus site is "Update AMD chipset driver 19.10.xx first before update this driver". I don't know if that matters for a fresh windows 10 install just making sure since it is related to the ryzen cpu.

Edit: I've looked at the BIOS and on the main AI Tweaker page was something called "Performance Enhancer" that was set to Auto. It has a default setting along with level 1, 2 and it states level 3 + 4 are OC. Is this anything to configure to boost?

gpuerrilla · 9 Feb 2020 at 07:57

You could be right about the board, however is yours the ROG strix? If it is its better than mine, I got the TUF and while its not the best board, it has decent enough components to work well with the 3600.

Joxeon · 9 Feb 2020 at 08:16

GregI said:
Thanks I'll try and test Fortnnite tomorrow. I did this in Ryzen Master: https://i.imgur.com/kBLUvDM.png

It's increased the load to about 3975 in OW and very brief glimpses of 4000 but doesn't seem to be going higher. I'm wondering if I should try a manual all core overclock of like 4.1? How would I go about that?

Mobo is the B450-f, latest 3003 BIOS and AMD chipset Version 1.7.29.0115 according to the b450-f support page

Try setting EDC to 1 or 10

Brumboy · 9 Feb 2020 at 08:19

Anyone go from a 4690k to a 3600? Mind telling me what the performance difference is like in games at 1080P? Cheers!

TNA · 9 Feb 2020 at 08:37

humbug said:
@TNA knows a lot more than i do, he has a good overclock on his 3600.

I just won silicon lottery, that’s it. As I said, there is nothing complicated about Ryzen master, literally all I did was put in MHz and voltage and click apply. I use 1.275v for my 4.4GHz all core 24/7 OC.

Raven hunted down a good chip as his original was a poor overclocker also and he copied my 1.275v and has it working perfectly fine at 4.4GHz.

gpuerrilla · 9 Feb 2020 at 10:35

It can also be partly down to the quality of PSU, motherboard I guess. Either way, if you got a newer batch that can work from a lower voltage your settings are win-win. Bit like the vega, undervolt overclock.

humbug · 9 Feb 2020 at 13:18

GregI said:
@humbug CPU-Z stress test on auto set me at 1.379v and PBO is roughly 1.375v

Regardless of setting I choose, Fortnite is basically the same clocks as Overwatch: https://i.imgur.com/tElvMxI.png

I'm beginning to think the board is just not suitable for boosting higher than 4Ghz. Is there like any other settings in the BIOS I should look at that would be stopping an automatic boost? All I did was press "Load Optimized defaults" and selected my RAM DOCP profile and made sure to select "Allow state control" so the CPU could idle at low voltages. I also set allow state control to Off and still no difference. Even running balanced or high performance ryzen power plan doesn't seem to do anything. I even used the stock windows high performance just to see, no change

Incase this is pertinent, when I installed amd chipset drivers for the first time from my fresh windows install yesterday it was from here: https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B450-F-GAMING/HelpDesk_Download/

I just installed those latest ones you linked (2020 ones) but one thing it says on the asus site is "Update AMD chipset driver 19.10.xx first before update this driver". I don't know if that matters for a fresh windows 10 install just making sure since it is related to the ryzen cpu.

Edit: I've looked at the BIOS and on the main AI Tweaker page was something called "Performance Enhancer" that was set to Auto. It has a default setting along with level 1, 2 and it states level 3 + 4 are OC. Is this anything to configure to boost?

Your board in better than mine. https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350 Pro4/ way better....

Install the driver from AMD's site.

its a 65 watt CPU, your board will push a 3900X for all its worth let alone a 3600. I don't have a performance enhancer in my BIOS, this might be counter-intuitive but try turning it off first, if that doesn't work try the enhanced settings.

Also ask in the Asus forums, they might have a better idea but the CPU is defiantly not behaving as it should.

Edit: file a support ticket with them.

Rossuk89 said:
Anyone go from a 4690k to a 3600? Mind telling me what the performance difference is like in games at 1080P? Cheers!

Went from a 4690K to a 1600 and then 3600. the 7600K here is faster than the 4690K

GregI · 9 Feb 2020 at 14:29

Tried more stuff such as 1usmus power plan but didn't seem to do anything either. Just for my own piece of mind I want to try an all core overclock of 4.1Ghz that will not cause damage (will run it for an hour or so) just to see if that extra boost is helping framerate. What voltage should I use and is it as simple as setting the core ratio and inputting voltage, save and exit?

humbug · 9 Feb 2020 at 14:35

Go to profile 1 > Manual > set the CPU to 4.1Ghz > volts to 1.42v > Click apply, the system might reboot.

This for gaming, its too high for stress testing.