Hi, would be interested in your thoughts once you have it up and running.
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The Sandy, Ivy and Haswell (Hazzy?) Upgrade Thread
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So far my impression of my 3700X is very fast and smooth.
a lot better minimum fps. Only really been playing insugency sandstorm. On the 2600k fps bounced from 30 to 80+. On the 3600 i was getting 60 to 100+ on the same settings. Ive now ramped up the detail and my minimims are 50+ fps. I play at 1440p.
I probably should have benched a bit more on the previous machine but i just wanted to get the new one up and running .
Well I think I'll go for a full system build now rather than wait for B550.
The first hurdle/obstacle is my case. I have an mATX case (Temjin TJ080-E) and I think going mATX was probably a mistake. Or at least it is now I want to use an AIO CPU cooler. I think my days of strapping large chunks of metal heatsink to the motherboard are done
The TJ08 only has space for a single 120mm fan aperture at the rear. I don't think that's a goer for any AIO cooler these days, which seem to have 240x120 rads minimum.
Second it's going to narrow my choice of motherboards to mATX, naturally.
I'm not sure if this is the thread/forum for "spec me a new everything" tho
Basically pretty sure I'll be going B450 + R3600, 16 gig RAM (undecided on type), some manner of AIO cooler, new case.
I tend to get bogged down in silly non-essential details when shopping for components, so suggestions most welcome.
Is there a "go-to" build that's basically a no-brainer?
The first hurdle/obstacle is my case. I have an mATX case (Temjin TJ080-E) and I think going mATX was probably a mistake. Or at least it is now I want to use an AIO CPU cooler. I think my days of strapping large chunks of metal heatsink to the motherboard are done
The TJ08 only has space for a single 120mm fan aperture at the rear. I don't think that's a goer for any AIO cooler these days, which seem to have 240x120 rads minimum.
Second it's going to narrow my choice of motherboards to mATX, naturally.
I'm not sure if this is the thread/forum for "spec me a new everything" tho
Basically pretty sure I'll be going B450 + R3600, 16 gig RAM (undecided on type), some manner of AIO cooler, new case.
I tend to get bogged down in silly non-essential details when shopping for components, so suggestions most welcome.
Is there a "go-to" build that's basically a no-brainer?
ryzen 3600
msi b450m mortar
16gb (2x8) crucial ballistix LT 3200c16 (product code ends with AES), or if you want to pay more for b-die gouge ram...then go ahead.
The RAM thing is interesting.
There's one game I play called "Dwarf Fortress" that I suspect may well benefit from the lowest latency RAM I can afford. That and generous CPU cache sizes.
But yeah I've heard you talk about that AES Ballistix before and I've not ruled it out. It's just that 3733 CL15 sounds very nice
Although it's probably silly to over-spec RAM for one very peculiar single-threaded RAM-abusing game.
Caporegime
Tbf, that i7 still does a good job at gaming for a near decade old cpu.
Soldato
You can get 16gb binned bdie for 130-140, possibly even cheaper.
the 3200c14 is on for £140 on the website. but as foxeye was mentioning 3733c15...i quoted the 3600-4000 b-die prices.
they're all much of a muchness because there are only a handful of oems iirc.
asetek makes corsair, nzxt, ocuk unbranded, evga, thermaltake
cooler master makes their own
alphacool makes alphacool, bequiet and fractal design
enermax makes their own
dont know about raijintek, silverstone
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Is it just me or is anyone else not seeing the value here?
I am running a 2600K, GTX1080, 16GB DDR3, with a 144hz Gsync 1440p monitor. With G-Sync on every game I play runs smooth and I have not came across any performance issues in any game. I might not be maxing my monitors potential but I don't feel like I am missing out running games at ~60fps.
I would be looking at £500 for a new Ryzen system which would see my framerate rise a bit but would I really notice much of a difference with G-Sync on?
I feel like the far more sensible thing to do would be to keep what I have got and wait for PS5 / new Xbox console late next year and get one of those with the £500 I would have spent on Ryzen. Then I have a pretty good PC and a brand spanking new console.
I 50/50 use the PC for gaming and web browsing.
Change my mind!
I am running a 2600K, GTX1080, 16GB DDR3, with a 144hz Gsync 1440p monitor. With G-Sync on every game I play runs smooth and I have not came across any performance issues in any game. I might not be maxing my monitors potential but I don't feel like I am missing out running games at ~60fps.
I would be looking at £500 for a new Ryzen system which would see my framerate rise a bit but would I really notice much of a difference with G-Sync on?
I feel like the far more sensible thing to do would be to keep what I have got and wait for PS5 / new Xbox console late next year and get one of those with the £500 I would have spent on Ryzen. Then I have a pretty good PC and a brand spanking new console.
I 50/50 use the PC for gaming and web browsing.
Change my mind!
In my observation of quite a few threads, titled '' i5 2500k/3570k/3770k/4670k/4770k should I upgrade?'' and when DDr4 prices were outrageous, I always advised that if you are on an I5 and have 16gb of system memory, then sell the I5 and upgrade to the I7 it will transform the system for a minimal cost. Then wait it out until Ryzen is good enough and Dddr4 prices are realistic, and if you are on an I7 just clock it and keep it running until you feel it's holding you back.
Well that moment is right now, DDr4 is cheap enough (especially E die), with rumours of price increasing back to ''.... off stupid'', and Ryzen 3000 is good enough to actually consider now. Whether you choose Intel or wait for the next gen of Intel is another debate.
But like you say if you are gaming at a locked 60fps whether that be 1080p or 1440p using Frtc, or V-sync/ G-sync/freesync then it's still going to be a smooth experience whether you utilise the refresh rate of your monitor or not, so long as your cpu can hold up in gaming loads of high demand, ie 4c4t stuttering whereas 4c8t has the headroom in Bf multiplayer /Ac Origins etc. I have still got my 2600k,3570k and a 3770k which I use, My main system is a 4770k and a Vega 64lc on a 1440p Freesync 75hz monitor, I lock my frtc to 75hz, in the majority of the games I play the Cpu and Gpu aren't particularly taxed, but of course there are games where the Cpu is peaking at 75-90% load on all cores, however i'm still around 60-75fps in those demanding titles.
It's all about the balance between system and Gpu and monitor, there will always be someone arguing that our opinion is a load of crap due to x+y, (prime example yeah but your minimums will be so much better on such and such), but I'm the same as you I don't think there's enough of a gain for me to upgrade to a Ryzen system yet. If I had a 100hz+ monitor I'd need a better gpu, and then I would need a better cpu and I am not paying £2000 for it. I'm not a hard gamer like I used to be as It has stagnated in performance and development and become expensive.
But I'm perfectly happy at 60-75fps.
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Soldato
Most people have a variation of what value means to them.
I think that if you are happy and it's working well then why change it.
If you did a middle of the road upgrade you'd be looking at £200-250 after selling your current board/CPU/RAM, but again there seems to be very little value unless you can personally see it.
Replaced my 4770k with a 3900x.
Much better experience in games where the CPU was being overcome (Division 2, Apex Legends)
Older titles limited at my 165FPS cap (165Hz GSYNC monitor) are largely unchanged in terms of the performance but I've not got some odd and rare performance issues any more.
Much better experience in games where the CPU was being overcome (Division 2, Apex Legends)
Older titles limited at my 165FPS cap (165Hz GSYNC monitor) are largely unchanged in terms of the performance but I've not got some odd and rare performance issues any more.
You are right, I am in the same boat with an 2500k and Vega 56 at 1080p nothing runs less than 60fps so my head says don't spend £300 for the upgrade. I got the itch though...must resist.
Caporegime
I upgraded from 2500k to 3900. Couldn’t be happier. Completely different gravy. Everything running at 1440p ultra at 60fps. Windows so smooth and snappy and videos rendering in ridiculous time. Upgrade couldn’t have gone better.