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New camera announcement today
The Sony A73/A7R3/A7S3/A9 Thread
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Yeah, so many rumours around. I think its going to be a game changer, biggest shake up by Sony since the A9. Something 35-50MP, 8k 30P video, touchscreen, new pro body, high fps, and if its using the sensor rumoured it will have almost 18ev dynamic range at ISO50 and 6 steps of ISO gain and usable pictures at iso 512,000.
Its the price rumours of £5-6k that I dont like.
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Just found about this, excited.
Edit - the A1
- 50 MP at 30fps
- 8k30p and 4k120p
- New Bionz XR (8times faster)
- Pixel Shift Multi Shooting (199MP)
- 5.5 stops sensor stabilization
- Use flash with electronic shutter
- lossley compressed RAW
- 9mp evf
- dual cfast type A card slot
Added a few key things missing
You missed some other big things!
Blackout- free continuous shooting at up to 30 frames per second
Fast sensor readout enables up to 120 AF/AE calculations per second, double the speed of the Alpha 9 II, even during 30fps continuous shooting
Bright and large 0.64-type 9.44 million-dot (approx.) OLED Quad-XGA electronic viewfinder with the world’s first refresh rate of 240 fps
World’s first anti-flicker shooting with both mechanical and electronic shutter
Electronic shutter flash sync up to 1/200 sec. for the first time in the Alpha™ series
World’s fastest mechanical shutter flash sync up to 1/400 sec
Improved Real-time Eye AF (autofocus) for humans and animals, and new Real-time Eye AF for birds, as well as Real-time Tracking that automatically maintains accurate focus.
I want one but would need to sell a kidney
Blackout- free continuous shooting at up to 30 frames per second
Fast sensor readout enables up to 120 AF/AE calculations per second, double the speed of the Alpha 9 II, even during 30fps continuous shooting
Bright and large 0.64-type 9.44 million-dot (approx.) OLED Quad-XGA electronic viewfinder with the world’s first refresh rate of 240 fps
World’s first anti-flicker shooting with both mechanical and electronic shutter
Electronic shutter flash sync up to 1/200 sec. for the first time in the Alpha™ series
World’s fastest mechanical shutter flash sync up to 1/400 sec
Improved Real-time Eye AF (autofocus) for humans and animals, and new Real-time Eye AF for birds, as well as Real-time Tracking that automatically maintains accurate focus.
I want one but would need to sell a kidney
£6500.
Not sure I have seen any above 1/250. Some old film SLR could do 1/350 and some leaf shutter medium format film could do 1/800
Thats even worse. The rumours were spot on based on the dollar price. Converted to pounds plus VAT and its £5,679. I see we are been ripped off another £820 for Brexit i presume? Actually no, as its £6500 in euros in the EU as well.
Nikon D70 or do I have it wrong?
I suppose the issue is its the best of everything. Its more a case of the Sony beats the R5 by 10% and sometimes 20% in everything. And by next year it will be available for under £5k as well. Best of the best comes at a premium.
I mean Sony already has the A7Riv which pretty much trades blows with the R5. If you are already in the sony system and you want R5 features you would just buy the A7riv which can be had for £2500 now.
The A1 is clearly just a pro camera for those who needs the features it offers. I still want one and £3500-£4000 I would have bitten.
Would be curious to see what the Canon R1 brings to the table. The incremental improvements with massive price hikes don't make much sense even for professionals.
The competition between canon and sony is welcomed. Great time to be a consumer despite the fall in camera sales.
The competition between canon and sony is welcomed. Great time to be a consumer despite the fall in camera sales.
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No, that's just a number you've picked at random but sure they all just take pictures at the end of the day.
No, it's a bit over 50% more at retail, the R5 is still a bloody expensive camera.
You realise you'll be able to buy the A1 grey too right?
The A1 does not make the R5 affordable any more than the 1DXIII does, the comparison doesn't really make much sense.
Relax my man. You're not being personally attacked here.I'm talking about laws of diminishing returns. A conversation. What's the headlines here ? 30 fps and 50 mpx with a 2.5k price hike is bonkers. The camera is amazing no doubt but unless you have money to burn it doesn't make economical sense in most cases.
What point are you trying to make exactly? The 1Dxiii was an incredibly bizarre play by canon....
After having my Sony A7R3 now for a couple of years I realise that it doesn't get much better for an amateur photographer. The Sony A7R4 is an incremental upgrade and the Sony A7R5 will need to be something really special to get me to upgrade, and even then I would wait some time until the price had dropped.
The Sony A7R3 was/is a phenomenal camera with only relatively minor flaws once you get used to it and the recent Sony f1.8 prime lenses that are available now are just fantastic. I feel like this lens system has finally reached a point of maturity and 1st/3rd party support that makes it easy to stick with.
The Sony A7R3 was/is a phenomenal camera with only relatively minor flaws once you get used to it and the recent Sony f1.8 prime lenses that are available now are just fantastic. I feel like this lens system has finally reached a point of maturity and 1st/3rd party support that makes it easy to stick with.
After having my Sony A7R3 now for a couple of years I realise that it doesn't get much better for an amateur photographer. The Sony A7R4 is an incremental upgrade and the Sony A7R5 will need to be something really special to get me to upgrade, and even then I would wait some time until the price had dropped.
The Sony A7R3 was/is a phenomenal camera with only relatively minor flaws once you get used to it and the recent Sony f1.8 prime lenses that are available now are just fantastic. I feel like this lens system has finally reached a point of maturity and 1st/3rd party support that makes it easy to stick with.
Exactly my point. And I feel it also stands for most professionals as well.
I'm talking about laws of diminishing returns. A conversation. What's the headlines here ? 30 fps and 50 mpx with a 2.5k price hike is bonkers. The camera is amazing no doubt but unless you have money to burn it doesn't make economical sense in most cases.
What point are you trying to make exactly? The 1Dxiii was an incredibly bizarre play by canon....
This camera is clearly aimed at for the Olympics for pros. You only have to look at how much has been put into the whole camera esp connectivity.
Its not just 30 fps and 50 mpx. If that is all you are taking away from the specs as important then this camera was never going to be for you anyway.
You can now use flash on your 199mpx pixel shift shot, another first.
Take its new 50MP sensor. It uses the same stacked CMOS approach as the a9 / a9 II to provide its fast readout. In addition to the DRAM built into the back of the sensor to cope with all the data being produced, Sony says the new 50MP sensor features a 'high speed processing circuit with new analogue-to-digital method' between the photodiodes and the DRAM at the back of the chip. Perhaps the most striking feature is the ability to read out the sensor in less than 1/200th of a second. This is 1.5x faster than the a9, despite having 1.44x more rows to read out (and twice as many pixels overall).
AF now works with as low as f22 shutter speed, it does 120 calculations per second, twice as much as a a9ii.
The Wi-Fi uses dual-band 2.4 and 5GHz radios but uses MIMO (multi-in, multi-out) technology on the 5GHz band to allow FTP transfers that are 3.5x faster than the a9 II can achieve.
The a1 also becomes the first camera we've encountered to offer a 10Gb/s USB connection. This allows communication around 10x faster than the 1000baseT Ethernet port provided.
No black outs even at 30fps and unlike the R5 it doesnt need to drop the dynamic range to 12ev like it has to do to get to 20fps speed.
It is the cutting edge best camera technology put together in a single camera body, Its a flagship camera.
It combines the speed of a sports camera with the resolution of a landscape camera, and with the features (lossless Raw compression, oversampled 10-bit 8K and fast transfers etc.) necessary to perform a wide range of roles to a level that a wide range of professionals will demand.
Its not a camera for the likes of me and you. Do I still want one? Hell yes.
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Why are you bringing up personal attacks?
There's nothing noteworthy in that point, you always pay more for larger diminishing returns the higher up a product range you go.
The spec comparison is somewhat pointless, the major selling feature of the top end Sony's are their sensor read out speeds, what point is there in comparing the specs if you omit the most important one? If we're just comparing megapixels then yeah sure but if that's your only criteria you really don't need an A1.
Put another way, if we look at the A1 for a hobbyist sure it seems a bit ridiculous but what's the argument against it for businesses that typically buy at these kind of prices? What's the drawback over the competition? I'm not seeing a technical argument against it.
My point was it's silly to compare the R5 to the A1, they're a different class of camera and not intended for the same markets which is why the A1 is priced the same as the 1D or D6.