So put a mini Super Charger in people's homes that uses battery storage? Seems like a decent idea, if the EVs can take a fast charge (which they don't all do yet).
Massively expensive though, as you state.
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So put a mini Super Charger in people's homes that uses battery storage? Seems like a decent idea, if the EVs can take a fast charge (which they don't all do yet).
Massively expensive though, as you state.
What I always wondered is overall capacity of the grid. Maybe it's fine for me to pull 22kW but what if every house on the street wants to also max out their supply. Can the supply into the street handle that?
Maybe it can, although I somehow doubt the board ever envisaged every connection being maxed simultaneously. What then though, the demand is going to be enormously higher than it is currently, where is the extra power going to come from? The media keeps telling us that power generation is already marginal in this country..
Maybe it can, although I somehow doubt the board ever envisaged every connection being maxed simultaneously. What then though, the demand is going to be enormously higher than it is currently, where is the extra power going to come from? The media keeps telling us that power generation is already marginal in this country..
And with everyone charging overnight those cheap off peak electricity tariffs will soon vanish too.
There are limitations to the capacity of the electricity supply, both nationally and locally to homes, that impact how far battery charging technology can go. When you step back and look at that you have to wonder if batteries are ever going to be the answer.
There are limitations to the capacity of the electricity supply, both nationally and locally to homes, that impact how far battery charging technology can go. When you step back and look at that you have to wonder if batteries are ever going to be the answer.
That feels like a slither possibility thinking shining through.
Almost the exact same problem exists in wind and solar tech where al lot of the energy is created at a time when it can't be used.
Spread the cost of resolving the issue across all the industries around the globe, far beyond just EV's and it becomes relatively low vs ROI and it will happen much sooner than we might think.
Battery backed superchargers would work better as small, 'local' filling stations rather than actually in people's home, I expect. I.e. in the village I used to live, have one there using a 400v commercial supply and drop it into a corner of a car park? Make it all fit inside something the size of a shipping container so it's really easily deployed.
Do you not think that the charging solution should be funded by but developed independently from vehicle manufacturers, the fundamental aim of which is to provide a universal charging solution. So regardless of vehicle they all benefited from the same charging tech with regards to speed etc.
Could you imagine if every home tech producer out there was also responsible for the bit you plugged their tech into. It would end up being a mess.
You seem rather defeatist about the whole thing. 10-15 years ago it didn't seem like it'd ever be possible for high-speed internet to be piped into homes over existing (or mostly existing) infrastructure, yet here we are. Add to that the upgrades that have occurred and the laying of new cables and it's all become quite possible. Even before FTTC, ADSL speeds kept improving as they found new ways to squeeze more speed out of old copper phonelines that were never designed for such a purpose.
Either way, you accept that we are not entirely restricted by the capability of our energy supply infrastructure.
IMO overcoming the problem of sufficient energy creation and the storage technology required to serve widescale adoption both dwarf the problem of delivery infrastructure, that you suggest is the reason why EV will never ever happen.
And even on this I see the curve of development keeping up with the rate of adoption.
Don't underestimate what the 7billion Tesla have just forward banked will do to turn the attention of thousands of scientists and billions of R&D budgets globally. Just look at the money Saudi is looking to invest in non oil based assets. Then add Apple GM Ford Shell Intel etc
IMO overcoming the problem of sufficient energy creation and the storage technology required to serve widescale adoption both dwarf the problem of delivery infrastructure, that you suggest is the reason why EV will never ever happen.
And even on this I see the curve of development keeping up with the rate of adoption.
Don't underestimate what the 7billion Tesla have just forward banked will do to turn the attention of thousands of scientists and billions of R&D budgets globally. Just look at the money Saudi is looking to invest in non oil based assets. Then add Apple GM Ford Shell Intel etc
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That's the exact change mobile phones went through 10 years ago. Looking on Zap Map there are currently 8 different connectors for electric cars! That's just stupid!
Is there a drive to standardise them, or are manufacturers being allowed to build proprietary systems?
It's worth noting however that even though there was agreement among most phone makers to use micro USB as the standard for charging, Apple still insist on using proprietary connectors.
That's the exact change mobile phones went through 10 years ago. Looking on Zap Map there are currently 8 different connectors for electric cars! That's just stupid!
Is there a drive to standardise them, or are manufacturers being allowed to build proprietary systems?
It's worth noting however that even though there was agreement among most phone makers to use micro USB as the standard for charging, Apple still insist on using proprietary connectors.
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This. EVs work well for a lot of people while they are a very small niche. EVs as they currently are would not work if they were the dominant type of car.
Having 1 EV at home, as a second car, and being the only person in your street with one works fine. If everyone in your town had 2 or 3 each, it no longer works.
Hence my point that with batteries, EVs will only ever be a niche product. Making them the dominant requires something else.
I genuinely think it's a shame that electric motor propulsion is being held back by batteries. Electric motors are fantastic, in terms of efficiency, weight, packaging and performance. You could put electric motors into a car that would be more powerful than the petrol engine and take up a fraction of the space. Imagine the room inside family cars if the massive engine and all the supporting gubbins weren't there! It would be amazing.
But that gets ruined when you then bolt and enormous, 500kg battery too it
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lol how is this still going on, it's sunny, go outside
actually this is wring on several accounts.
national grid has already said a significant amount of home connections will need upgrading if evs take off.
you can already pay to have your connection to be converted to three phase if the local infrastructure can handle it. it just costs a bomb, and I doubt it costs them that much. it's just a very rare occurrence for those that have managed to get planning permission for workshops or the like.
despite what you keep saying none of these points are even close to being "almost impossible to get over"
I'm sorry, but if your not even going to bother putting any effort into making your posts make sense I'm just going to consider everything you say to be the idiotic ramblings of a clueless moron.
I know you think it's funny, but it's just pathetic. The fact you think anyone should take you seriously is laughable.
I know you think it's funny, but it's just pathetic. The fact you think anyone should take you seriously is laughable.
I was aiming my comment at Skeeter, who believes EV will only ever be a niche category.
Rich criticism from the man who's posts are so often completely unreadable that it's almost become a running joke on the forum
Whilst the reliance is on putting lots of pre-generated electricity into a large battery, I can't see how they can be anything else?
Even with the best will in the world and all experimental technology, I can't see batteries ever being anywhere near as quick and convenient as filling a car up with a fuel.
Battery EVs also seem to have barely even touched on larger vehicles too. The batteries needed to keep a fleet of trucks running would be enormous.
Batteries are a stepping stone towards the solution. They are not the solution.
that has what to do with this? 'cant read it, ignore it.
also read the posts he comments about, wrong is spelt wring. other than that it's very understandable.
but to repeatedly use it as an excuse to not have to defend his points is pretty stupid. you'll find it's far from his first post stating that. that is what it is, he's unable to defend his point, so turns to attacking.
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