It has everything to do with this, I don't blame him, responding to you in a debate is extremely hard work and it's not because of the high quality of your points and arguments
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It has everything to do with this, I don't blame him, responding to you in a debate is extremely hard work and it's not because of the high quality of your points and arguments
He's gone on ignore. Trying to have any sort of sensible discussion with someone who will open their posts by claiming you are talking nonsense, and then decend into a paragraph of ape like random key bashing to explain why isn't worth the time.
Lol, "unable to defend his points so turns to attacking"
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again, read the post he comments about it's very understandable.
please point out what's so wrong with it, it cant be understood. even the biggest error is obviously what it means. simply an I instead of an o. should have at least waited till I posted something that was a complete mess.
yay he's thrown up the white flag, see how long till he posts something stupid in other threads, like he always does.
Well for a start I'm not entirely sure what the post is actually getting at. He's said that home connections would need upgrading, you've said he's wrong and then pointed out that the grid said connections would need upgrading. Three phase is a ludicrous proposal for a standard home connection on our current infrastructure, even if you want to claim it's cheaper than they charge. What the nonsense about planning has to do with it I don't know. Legible maybe (for once) but still no idea what you're trying to get at.
no he said home connections are impossible to upgrade, which I pointed out wasn't the case as they do it now.
he also said it would be near impossible for upgrade infrastructure in the future. national grid has already said it will have to be done. so it's not near impossible.
haha look at the time stamps. see the lack of edited time stamp. so yeah try again skeeter. you posted three minutes later, if I had edited after 3 mins it would show up. yes I regularly edit within about a minute to correct mistakes. and that doesn't show up. bout you didn't post within a minute.
see how this one has an edited time stamp.
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He's edited out most of the mistakes. He knows there is a free period of editing that doesn't show an edit timestamp, and he's now denying it.
As shown by me editing this and it not showing an edit.
He didn't, he said upgrading everyone beyond 100A supplies is unlikely, which I'd agree with in the near future. At no point did he claim it's impossible to upgrade a domestic supply connection. Perhaps that's why your response is confusing, you're arguing against something he didn't even say.
you may want to follow conversation, and who said anything about near future. no one has ever said this is going to happen over night. it's a slow process over many decades to come. like any infrastructure.
Some barriers are almost impossible to overcome is not the same as it is impossible to upgrade home connections. He's even followed up the barriers with multiple reasonings, none of which claim home connections are impossible.
I'm following perfectly well, you're demonstrating quite nicely what I mean by you being hard work to respond to in a debate.
as pointed out the following up reasoning isn't correct either as pointed out.
I can quite easily same this is indicative of you and your replies.
how is it nearly impossible when national grid themselves have already stated, upgrades will need to be made for EVs.
I can quite easily same this is indicative of you and your replies.
how is it nearly impossible when national grid themselves have already stated, upgrades will need to be made for EVs.
There is nothing wrong with his follow up reasoning, you disagreed because you thought it said impossible but in reality he's right, it is unlikely that domestic connections will get upgraded beyond 100A any time soon, 3 phase connections for lots of homes is an unrealistic expectation and so there is going to be a limit to home charging that will restrict the appeal once you start needing to charge more than one 'novelty second' car.
If the grid end up going round putting three phase connections in everywhere, our electricity bills are going to soar, the cost will be astronomical
no my reasoning is fine, you seem to have no idea what skeeter has said. you do realise he thinks it will never be upgraded and that it will only be a niche market.
what he has said, is nothing like you portray, so no he's not right. you are one of a very fee people supporting him over the last few pages. it's clear that his reasoning does not stack up. as dies your defence that doesn't match what he has said.
and again who has ever talked about near future. neither he or I am talking about near feature, I have said many times, many decades to come and skeeter has said will never be more than niche as it's near impossible to upgrade over any time frame.
what he has said, is nothing like you portray, so no he's not right. you are one of a very fee people supporting him over the last few pages. it's clear that his reasoning does not stack up. as dies your defence that doesn't match what he has said.
and again who has ever talked about near future. neither he or I am talking about near feature, I have said many times, many decades to come and skeeter has said will never be more than niche as it's near impossible to upgrade over any time frame.
If you say so.
You're the one claiming he's said things that he hasn't but it's obviously me who isn't understanding what he's said. It's only been a handful of posts and I already can't be bothered with you again.
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so, what do people think about the Tesla Model 3?
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Hi billysielu, thanks for bringing it back on topic.
My thoughts:
- range, performance, size, etc are all what was expected
- fantastic that the car will be supercharger capable
- also fantastic that it will have autopilot built in from day 1
- very interested to see pricing of the various models, dual motor, high performance, extended range, etc
- rear boot aperture looks too small for most people coming from a hatchback - this car needs to be practical
- the nose treatment is interesting. Without a grille it's hard to know what to do here. I'm not sure this is the best option, but it might well grow on you.
- the interior is what they are planning for production, but not 100% as yet. I wonder if HUD together with the large central display is the answer
- the 200,000 orders says a lot about the market EVs - this is more than just Tesla fanboyism. I think 200 miles range is the threshold where people have the confidence that for the majority of their journeys they will plenty of spare capacity for detours, adverse weather etc.
- Chevy will be in the market 12 months before Model 3 with the Bolt (Opel will have their version also).
- The first vehicles will be delivered late in 2017, assuming there are no delays (hmmm). I'm not sure of the current production plans, but I imagine 200k vehicles is a number of months/years production (note the current live fleet of Teslas is a little over 100k!). Musk has already said they need to revisit this aspect
- too many people are misspelling it as Telsa (even in online news headlines)
My thoughts:
- range, performance, size, etc are all what was expected
- fantastic that the car will be supercharger capable
- also fantastic that it will have autopilot built in from day 1
- very interested to see pricing of the various models, dual motor, high performance, extended range, etc
- rear boot aperture looks too small for most people coming from a hatchback - this car needs to be practical
- the nose treatment is interesting. Without a grille it's hard to know what to do here. I'm not sure this is the best option, but it might well grow on you.
- the interior is what they are planning for production, but not 100% as yet. I wonder if HUD together with the large central display is the answer
- the 200,000 orders says a lot about the market EVs - this is more than just Tesla fanboyism. I think 200 miles range is the threshold where people have the confidence that for the majority of their journeys they will plenty of spare capacity for detours, adverse weather etc.
- Chevy will be in the market 12 months before Model 3 with the Bolt (Opel will have their version also).
- The first vehicles will be delivered late in 2017, assuming there are no delays (hmmm). I'm not sure of the current production plans, but I imagine 200k vehicles is a number of months/years production (note the current live fleet of Teslas is a little over 100k!). Musk has already said they need to revisit this aspect
- too many people are misspelling it as Telsa (even in online news headlines)
I quite like it. Not 100% sold on the interior and whilst I understand it does not need a front grille, the design to me seems a bit 'tape up the hole' and it looks a bit awkward.
The boot opening and the interior are 2 quite significant dampeners on what is otherwise a very impressive car. It's a shame that style and looks seem to have taken priority over practicality.
Could you get a set of golf clubs in that boot?
There's suggestion that this is a platform that will see more models. So perhaps there will be an 'estste' version in the future?
Could you get a set of golf clubs in that boot?
There's suggestion that this is a platform that will see more models. So perhaps there will be an 'estste' version in the future?